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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    You do realize that there are brilliant tech hackers all over this country... right? Give it a year.

    So... you meant THAT weapons system. Not ANY weapons system. I'm pretty sure a person could pick up a MANPAD for a lot less than $22k
    There are no motors that physically move the rifle. And even if there were, you're talking about a 1,200 yard range, which is woefully short of a drone in flight even if it's right over head. No, there is no way this specific system will ever be capable of shooting down a plane, let alone in the hands of an amateur. MANPADS also don't reach cruising altitude of a drone... they take some advanced tactical training to use... are largely defeatable.... and cost more than $22k a pop.
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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    There are no motors that physically move the rifle. And even if there were, you're talking about a 1,200 yard range, which is woefully short of a drone in flight even if it's right over head. No, there is no way this specific system will ever be capable of shooting down a plane, let alone in the hands of an amateur. MANPADS also don't reach cruising altitude of a drone... they take some advanced tactical training to use... are largely defeatable.... and cost more than $22k a pop.
    I bet I can find a geek who can retrofit this rifle with all the motors and gizmos needed in less than a month. But yes, range is an issue. However, if you can see a drone to shoot at it, it's not at cruising altitude. But that's all hypothetical, lets take a look at something more concrete...

    Global MANPAD costs... $5000
    http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/asmp...ket_prices.pdf

    As for advanced training... sure, private gump would need advanced training. Someone with an IQ above 120... a manual is enough. Trust me.

    Either way... I find the whole premise of the thread and the tiny town of rednecks passing a law to shoot at something they'll never see even if straight overhead quite silly. So I posted a silly reply. Yet... damn I want that gun!

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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I bet I can find a geek who can retrofit this rifle with all the motors and gizmos needed in less than a month. But yes, range is an issue. However, if you can see a drone to shoot at it, it's not at cruising altitude. But that's all hypothetical, lets take a look at something more concrete...

    Global MANPAD costs... $5000
    http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/asmp...ket_prices.pdf

    As for advanced training... sure, private gump would need advanced training. Someone with an IQ above 120... a manual is enough. Trust me.

    Either way... I find the whole premise of the thread and the tiny town of rednecks passing a law to shoot at something they'll never see even if straight overhead quite silly. So I posted a silly reply. Yet... damn I want that gun!
    First generation SA-7s weren't known for hitting... well, for hitting anything.

    But I agree, this is a silly idea on the whole. If it's anywhere close to the realm of possibility, it's grandstanding and nothing more.

    I'll be honest with you, I do long range competition shooting and 99/100ths of the fun is going through all the calculations and motions. To have a scope do that for me on the fly... well, that doesn't sound like much fun at all! I also drive a manual transmission and make my own pasta noodles from scratch.
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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    There's no legal right to shoot at aircraft, manned or not, in the US. The airspace above your land is not your own. Any aircraft can fly as low as 500 feet above the ground. Plus, are you certain you can tell the difference between this passenger aircraft and this drone?



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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fatal accidents involving firearms is around 600 a year. That number is miniscule.

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    Why do think that number is low? Is it because American gun owners shoot their guns up in the air all the time and the bullets don't ever hit anyone? Or perhaps is it because most people aren't complete idiots who follow gun safety and don't do stupid **** like that.

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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    I would rather try my hand at hacking one. That seems like it would be more fun, imho.

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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Undecided if I would ever take part in such civil disobedience... but if I did... I would do it with this rifle..

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    It's a $22K rifle that allows any rank amateur to hit a moving target at 1000 yards... and live stream it to your ipad...
    Actually no it wouldn't. Money can only buy so much. better to spend 2,500 on a rifle and the rest in training. What would be the lead for a drone going 75mph, 500 yards above you with a 338 lapua?

    The rifle you show would be acceptable for a walking target 600 yards away, farther out IF you can compute wind accurately, but aerial engagements???

    Not so much, lone bolt guns against drones, not the best combo.

    Long ago at Ft. Lewis we got a chance to try and knock down an R/C plane with an entire platoon's weapons. 20 some M16s and 3 M60s. All three platoons of our Light Infantry Company cycled through the firing line. One platoon managed one hit for all the lead we threw up at the plane.

    That should give a bit of prospective to hitting a flying target...

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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    First generation SA-7s weren't known for hitting... well, for hitting anything.
    Yes well, even Russia has come a ways since 1968.

    But I agree, this is a silly idea on the whole. If it's anywhere close to the realm of possibility, it's grandstanding and nothing more.
    Agreed. Though... what's really funny is that the FAA actually responded. My concern is that Billy Ray wont know the difference between a Bona

    I'll be honest with you, I do long range competition shooting and 99/100ths of the fun is going through all the calculations and motions. To have a scope do that for me on the fly... well, that doesn't sound like much fun at all!
    Agreed again. The fun of competition is crushing others with pure skill, no matter what you do for fun. What's even more fun is developing your skill to a point when you can do more the most, with lessor equipment.


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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually no it wouldn't. Money can only buy so much. better to spend 2,500 on a rifle and the rest in training. What would be the lead for a drone going 75mph, 500 yards above you with a 338 lapua?

    The rifle you show would be acceptable for a walking target 600 yards away, farther out IF you can compute wind accurately, but aerial engagements???

    Not so much, lone bolt guns against drones, not the best combo.

    Long ago at Ft. Lewis we got a chance to try and knock down an R/C plane with an entire platoon's weapons. 20 some M16s and 3 M60s. All three platoons of our Light Infantry Company cycled through the firing line. One platoon managed one hit for all the lead we threw up at the plane.

    That should give a bit of prospective to hitting a flying target...
    Read a few posts back. It was a silly response to a silly town and their silly local law proposal. ... and an excuse to post that gun.

    But ya... that's awesome imagery!

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    Re: FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Why do think that number is low?
    Because the odds of you being hit by a bullet that was fired into the air is extremely low.
    Is it because American gun owners shoot their guns up in the air all the time and the bullets don't ever hit anyone?
    In my neighborhood on New-Years and 4th of July my neighbors are shooting off their guns into the air as though ammo was free.But yet there are no deaths or injuries.

    Or perhaps is it because most people aren't complete idiots who follow gun safety and don't do stupid **** like that.
    The story is not people shooting into the air or people being irresponsible. Its about granting permits for people to shoot at drones, much like people are granted permits to hunt ducks and other animals. People shoot at ducks, heck some people shoot at clay pigeons, but yet there are not accidents from stray rounds.
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