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FAA warns public against shooting guns at drones

Its a town of nearly 550 people. They could shoot down a hundred drones and I do not think anyone of those would land on someone.

The basic rule of gun safety is to be aware of everything in the potential flight path of your weapon. People get killed every year in places where they fire guns into the air during a celebration. Lower population density might mitigate the risk, but its still an unacceptable danger. You don't get away with drunk driving by saying "well nobody ever drives on that road anyways".
 
Unlike a helicopter a drone doesn't have to manned and can go places a helicopter can without being noticed.Drones can also be mass produced.



Violence? Shooting a drone amounts to spray painting, or some other act of vandalism not violence.

Shooting is an act of violence and destruction. You can paint over spray paint or clean it. A shot down drone cannot be repaired that easily (if at all). Or at least, that is how I see it.
 
Undecided if I would ever take part in such civil disobedience... but if I did... I would do it with this rifle..

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It's a $22K rifle that allows any rank amateur to hit a moving target at 1000 yards... and live stream it to your ipad...

Unfortunately, there is no weapon system on the market that can take an amateur (or anything short of a stone cold trained sniper) and magically hit a moving target.... let alone one several thousand feet in the air... let alone one traveling in excess of 130 mph. And this is the super glaring hole in the plot - no responsible gun owner or sportsman (let alone anyone with enough training to take the shot and have a snowball's chance in hell of making it) is going to fire a rifle into the air.
 
If you're going to do it, just make sure your conviction is solid enough that you're willing to spend probably a couple decades in prison. Even if you're eventually found Constitutionally correct, you'll probably spend at least 1 decade in prison while it works its way through the courts.

I am all for shooting down the drones.The government has no business spying on the people and it should be costly to the government when they do something they shouldn't. This town has a population of nearly 550,so I do not see a shot drone crash landing into someone's home. Although I think if I was to do such a thing I would not get a permit.Because the permit holders will be the first people the feds will be checking.
Yep.


Undecided if I would ever take part in such civil disobedience... but if I did... I would do it with this rifle..

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It's a $22K rifle that allows any rank amateur to hit a moving target at 1000 yards... and live stream it to your ipad...
Not sure that recording evidence for the prosecution is a good idea. Just sayin'.
 
Anybody who actually gets a permit AND shoots one down is an idiot. Even if it is legitimate civil disobedience any forethinking person has to know it will be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

Plus, as you mention, it is a serious potential safety hazard.

I'm not so sure about the unreasonable search, though. To the best of my knowledge, one does not own the sky above their property up to infinity. I cannot ban planes from flying over my property in a way that a country can ban planes from flying through their airspace. Hence, this is more similar to a police car and using binoculars to look into a property from a common public area (public street).

No one doesn't own the sky but you have a reasonable - in my view anyway - expectation of privacy in your backyard. The police can observe you in the street, they cannot use binoculars to peer though your window (without probable cause anyway) because you have an expectation of privacy in your home.

I think h same extends to your backyard.
 
As amusing as it would be, I'd be concerned about spent rounds coming down who-knows-where.... and if you actually managed to KO the drone, the DRONE is coming down somewhere too... like maybe through someone's living room roof...

That ain't the biggest problem. The FBI would be on your front doorstep before the drone even hit the ground.
 
Unfortunately, there is no weapon system on the market that can take an amateur (or anything short of a stone cold trained sniper) and magically hit a moving target.... let alone one several thousand feet in the air... let alone one traveling in excess of 130 mph. And this is the super glaring hole in the plot - no responsible gun owner or sportsman (let alone anyone with enough training to take the shot and have a snowball's chance in hell of making it) is going to fire a rifle into the air.

I'll take that bet....
 
If you're going to do it, just make sure your conviction is solid enough that you're willing to spend probably a couple decades in prison. Even if you're eventually found Constitutionally correct, you'll probably spend at least 1 decade in prison while it works its way through the courts.


Yep.



Not sure that recording evidence for the prosecution is a good idea. Just sayin'.

I'm thinkin' the drone already recorded it.

Hey, I just want an excuse to buy that gun!
 
I'll take that bet....

You do realize the rifle merely places an aimpoint over predicted point of impact, right? It doesn't actually aim the rifle. It does not impart trigger discipline or proper breathing technique. And I have doubts about the range up or down it is able to correct.

But internet bets are usually pretty safe because they are untestable and unfalsifiable.
 
You do realize the rifle merely places an aimpoint over predicted point of impact, right? It doesn't actually aim the rifle. It does not impart trigger discipline or proper breathing technique. And I have doubts about the range up or down it is able to correct.

But internet bets are usually pretty safe because they are untestable and unfalsifiable.

You do realize that there are brilliant tech hackers all over this country... right? Give it a year.

So... you meant THAT weapons system. Not ANY weapons system. I'm pretty sure a person could pick up a MANPAD for a lot less than $22k
 
The basic rule of gun safety is to be aware of everything in the potential flight path of your weapon. People get killed every year in places where they fire guns into the air during a celebration. Lower population density might mitigate the risk, but its still an unacceptable danger. You don't get away with drunk driving by saying "well nobody ever drives on that road anyways".
Fatal accidents involving firearms is around 600 a year. That number is miniscule.

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It's a trick. Kind of like sending people with warrants notices that they've won a prize. It puts you on "the list" for the next ATF raid.

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Deer Trail, CO. is considering an ordinance that would grant hunting licenses to shoot unmanned government drones. The FAA threatens criminal and civil liability for the hunters, as though they shot at a manned aircraft.

Deliberate destruction of government property, or righteous civil disobedience? Personally, I think the drones are unreasonable search because no warrant was issued, and unconstitutional laws should be disobeyed until repealed. But this has a public safety issue that sort-of muddys the water.

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Wow. That would be a silly thing for a town to do. And what happens when a drone looking for a missing child gets shot down?

Look, I don't like drones flying over the US. And I've joked about shooting one down if it came over my house (step one: buy a gun). But for a town to endorse it through permits would get them in a world of hurt with the feds. Could even be seen as encouraging shooting drones down. What, is there going to be a "drone season"?

You want to shoot down a drone that's over your property? do it. See what happens in court. Will be interesting to see what our privacy rights are.

But no way should a town issue permits.

By the way, I'm more worried about commercial drones than govt. drones. Not that they'll target me, but when scandal mags start flying drones over private property of stars - I thank that's going too far. And I could see some company flying drones over our houses with advertisements and loud music. That crap is going to .... um, can't say what I was about to say. That stuff is going to annoy the heck out of me. I hate the invasion of our public spaces by ads; I don't want them flying over my house.

But who needs a permit at that point?
 
You do realize that there are brilliant tech hackers all over this country... right? Give it a year.

So... you meant THAT weapons system. Not ANY weapons system. I'm pretty sure a person could pick up a MANPAD for a lot less than $22k

There are no motors that physically move the rifle. And even if there were, you're talking about a 1,200 yard range, which is woefully short of a drone in flight even if it's right over head. No, there is no way this specific system will ever be capable of shooting down a plane, let alone in the hands of an amateur. MANPADS also don't reach cruising altitude of a drone... they take some advanced tactical training to use... are largely defeatable.... and cost more than $22k a pop.
 
There are no motors that physically move the rifle. And even if there were, you're talking about a 1,200 yard range, which is woefully short of a drone in flight even if it's right over head. No, there is no way this specific system will ever be capable of shooting down a plane, let alone in the hands of an amateur. MANPADS also don't reach cruising altitude of a drone... they take some advanced tactical training to use... are largely defeatable.... and cost more than $22k a pop.

I bet I can find a geek who can retrofit this rifle with all the motors and gizmos needed in less than a month. But yes, range is an issue. However, if you can see a drone to shoot at it, it's not at cruising altitude. But that's all hypothetical, lets take a look at something more concrete...

Global MANPAD costs... $5000
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/asmp/issueareas/manpads/black_market_prices.pdf

As for advanced training... sure, private gump would need advanced training. Someone with an IQ above 120... a manual is enough. Trust me.

Either way... I find the whole premise of the thread and the tiny town of rednecks passing a law to shoot at something they'll never see even if straight overhead quite silly. So I posted a silly reply. Yet... damn I want that gun!
 
I bet I can find a geek who can retrofit this rifle with all the motors and gizmos needed in less than a month. But yes, range is an issue. However, if you can see a drone to shoot at it, it's not at cruising altitude. But that's all hypothetical, lets take a look at something more concrete...

Global MANPAD costs... $5000
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/asmp/issueareas/manpads/black_market_prices.pdf

As for advanced training... sure, private gump would need advanced training. Someone with an IQ above 120... a manual is enough. Trust me.

Either way... I find the whole premise of the thread and the tiny town of rednecks passing a law to shoot at something they'll never see even if straight overhead quite silly. So I posted a silly reply. Yet... damn I want that gun!

First generation SA-7s weren't known for hitting... well, for hitting anything.

But I agree, this is a silly idea on the whole. If it's anywhere close to the realm of possibility, it's grandstanding and nothing more.

I'll be honest with you, I do long range competition shooting and 99/100ths of the fun is going through all the calculations and motions. To have a scope do that for me on the fly... well, that doesn't sound like much fun at all! I also drive a manual transmission and make my own pasta noodles from scratch.
 
There's no legal right to shoot at aircraft, manned or not, in the US. The airspace above your land is not your own. Any aircraft can fly as low as 500 feet above the ground. Plus, are you certain you can tell the difference between this passenger aircraft and this drone?

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Fatal accidents involving firearms is around 600 a year. That number is miniscule.

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Why do think that number is low? Is it because American gun owners shoot their guns up in the air all the time and the bullets don't ever hit anyone? Or perhaps is it because most people aren't complete idiots who follow gun safety and don't do stupid **** like that.
 
I would rather try my hand at hacking one. That seems like it would be more fun, imho.
 
Undecided if I would ever take part in such civil disobedience... but if I did... I would do it with this rifle..

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It's a $22K rifle that allows any rank amateur to hit a moving target at 1000 yards... and live stream it to your ipad...

Actually no it wouldn't. Money can only buy so much. better to spend 2,500 on a rifle and the rest in training. What would be the lead for a drone going 75mph, 500 yards above you with a 338 lapua?

The rifle you show would be acceptable for a walking target 600 yards away, farther out IF you can compute wind accurately, but aerial engagements???

Not so much, lone bolt guns against drones, not the best combo.

Long ago at Ft. Lewis we got a chance to try and knock down an R/C plane with an entire platoon's weapons. 20 some M16s and 3 M60s. All three platoons of our Light Infantry Company cycled through the firing line. One platoon managed one hit for all the lead we threw up at the plane.

That should give a bit of prospective to hitting a flying target... :peace
 
First generation SA-7s weren't known for hitting... well, for hitting anything.

Yes well, even Russia has come a ways since 1968.

But I agree, this is a silly idea on the whole. If it's anywhere close to the realm of possibility, it's grandstanding and nothing more.

Agreed. Though... what's really funny is that the FAA actually responded. My concern is that Billy Ray wont know the difference between a Bona

I'll be honest with you, I do long range competition shooting and 99/100ths of the fun is going through all the calculations and motions. To have a scope do that for me on the fly... well, that doesn't sound like much fun at all!

Agreed again. The fun of competition is crushing others with pure skill, no matter what you do for fun. What's even more fun is developing your skill to a point when you can do more the most, with lessor equipment.


I also drive a manual transmission and make my own pasta noodles from scratch.

Yup, and yup.
 
Actually no it wouldn't. Money can only buy so much. better to spend 2,500 on a rifle and the rest in training. What would be the lead for a drone going 75mph, 500 yards above you with a 338 lapua?

The rifle you show would be acceptable for a walking target 600 yards away, farther out IF you can compute wind accurately, but aerial engagements???

Not so much, lone bolt guns against drones, not the best combo.

Long ago at Ft. Lewis we got a chance to try and knock down an R/C plane with an entire platoon's weapons. 20 some M16s and 3 M60s. All three platoons of our Light Infantry Company cycled through the firing line. One platoon managed one hit for all the lead we threw up at the plane.

That should give a bit of prospective to hitting a flying target... :peace

Read a few posts back. It was a silly response to a silly town and their silly local law proposal. ... and an excuse to post that gun.

But ya... that's awesome imagery!
 
Why do think that number is low?

Because the odds of you being hit by a bullet that was fired into the air is extremely low.
Is it because American gun owners shoot their guns up in the air all the time and the bullets don't ever hit anyone?

In my neighborhood on New-Years and 4th of July my neighbors are shooting off their guns into the air as though ammo was free.But yet there are no deaths or injuries.

Or perhaps is it because most people aren't complete idiots who follow gun safety and don't do stupid **** like that.

The story is not people shooting into the air or people being irresponsible. Its about granting permits for people to shoot at drones, much like people are granted permits to hunt ducks and other animals. People shoot at ducks, heck some people shoot at clay pigeons, but yet there are not accidents from stray rounds.
 
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