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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As soon as the very first funding payment!!! was missed, appropriate unions should have been in court filing suit. I blame them for that. They just sat back and let it happen - just like the politicians.

    There ought to be a law that if an entity keeps allowing shortfalls, they forfeit the right to complain. Something like our patent infringement or copyright infringement laws. Unions didn't want to make an issue of it because they didn't want sunshine on their Cadillac bennies. Well, here comes the light.
    The union leader are crooked politicians themselves, this is why I believe the unions should be dissolved to protect the workers.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how does this somehow mean more than sixty years of declining population from 1.8 million to 720,000?

    How does all this mean more than the loss of a million plus people and all the taxes that they would have paid over those decades>

    How does all this mean more than all the companies who left the city and took the jobs and taxes with them?

    How does this mean more than over a century of racial animosity in the city which contributed significantly to the exodus leaving the city depopulated and cash strapped with a mostly poor population?

    Explain to us how pension investments killed the city of Detroit?
    Corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I sure would like to but that would not be within the topic of this thread. You are encouraging me to break forum rules. Bad form on your part.
    What rules are you talking about? You made a big fuss about me editing a post of mine and claimed it was somehow dishonest. Then, when I challenged you on it, you left and have not explained it yet.

    It was your post. It was your claim. And both were made right here in this very thread.

    You cannot make a complaint in a thread and attack me for it and then try to slide away simply because you were caught with nothing to support your claim and are now embarrassed.

    So lets see it. You made the charge - now you man up and back it up..... it you are able to.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    The union leader are crooked politicians themselves, this is why I believe the unions should be dissolved to protect the workers.
    I completely support private sector unions, although I think they are greedy bastards much of the time. But that's private enterprise. Union Carbide, if you can't afford union demands and want to promise them anyhow? That's on you.

    But. I am 100% against public sector unions. The taxpayer wallet is a bottomless pit, and promises are made by politicians who count on union votes and union money to keep their sorry asses in office.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have roundly objected to this from the start.
    But you have no problem when people ignore the U.S. Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Corruption.
    I am no supporter of corruption and condemn it. People like Kwame can rot in prison forever for my two cents.

    But perhaps you or anyone else can document that for us please and tell us how it matters more than the exodus from detroit, the loss of its tax base and jobs, and the racial divide that helped ruin the city?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But you have no problem when people ignore the U.S. Constitution.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Please do provide an example of me being supportive when people ignore the Constitution of the USA.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how does this somehow mean more than sixty years of declining population from 1.8 million to 720,000?

    How does all this mean more than the loss of a million plus people and all the taxes that they would have paid over those decades>

    How does all this mean more than all the companies who left the city and took the jobs and taxes with them?

    How does this mean more than over a century of racial animosity in the city which contributed significantly to the exodus leaving the city depopulated and cash strapped with a mostly poor population?

    Explain to us how pension investments killed the city of Detroit?
    Where did I claim it meant "more"?

    I was talking to Maggie about mismanagement and corruption with the pension funds. Just because it doesn't mean "more" doesn't mean that it means nothing. Your tactics on this thread have been consistently dishonest. Will there be a point when you are able to discuss things on the up and up or should I just put you on ignore right now?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I quoted your post to respond to it. You edited it AFTER I had already clicked "reply with quote". What appears in MY post is the unedited version of what YOU posted. Not surprising that you would try to lie about that too.
    Oh, Jack. Don't take the road another infamous poster takes on this site accusing posters of lying when they edit posts. I edit posts allllll the time. And it happens to me lots of times when I pull someone's post to reply to them if I reply quickly. Personally, I never think a thing about it.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Where did I claim it meant "more"?

    I was talking to Maggie about mismanagement and corruption with the pension funds. Just because it doesn't mean "more" doesn't mean that it means nothing. Your tactics on this thread have been consistently dishonest. Will there be a point when you are able to discuss things on the up and up or should I just put you on ignore right now?
    That is absurd. I have seen you say NOTHING... ZIP ... NADA .... ZERO ... about the two main problems which hurt Detroit and all you do is focus on the claim of corruption.

    So tell us straight out - do you see this so called pension corruption as just as significant as the loss of 2/3 of the populaltion, the loss of the accompaning tax base, the loss of companies and the jobs they provided, and the racial divisions which have split the city and contributed to all those things?

    Tell us straight out so you cannot claim to be misrepresented. Tell us.
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