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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Haymarket, exactly where did I say republicans can't be liberals? For that matter, where did I say democrats or republicans in the post you quoted?
    Which is why I gave you several examples of conservative dominance of the 1961-62 constitution writing process and who controlled it.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    of all the creditors owed by the city of detroit, which should stand in line to receive what is owed them before the workers who spent their careers earning a retirement which was committed to them for their decades of service?
    i'll wait for your answer
    A most excellent question. I will never ever understand why libertarians and conservatives will bend over backwards and do all sorts of mental gymnastics just to screw the average worker when the choice is between corporate interests and the people.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    I can accept that source as long as we all remember that haymarket supports this quote from that same source too:
    The auto industry had started to expand beyond the city and was building plants and putting offices in suburban and rural areas, and eventually sought refuge from the city's powerful unions in other states and even overseas.
    Unions helped drive a stake in the auto industry. We all know this, some just hate admitting it, I think there is a recent thread about "the myth that unions hurt the auto industry". What's important is that Detroit faced nothing that to some degree many other cities have faced to one degree or another. They were hit hardest, but everyone understands that's because they were so heavily invested in one specific industry. All their eggs in one basket, of course that was high risk, and the severity of the collapse directly related to that ultra-high-risk investment in that one industry. When it declined, people understandably left. Maybe you should have put in the constitution that the white taxpayers were forbidden to leave, or they still have to pay Detroit taxes once they move....I mean, why stop with insane, just go for bat-****-crazy?

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Caveat: The citizens of Detroit elected a school board president who is functionally illiterate.

    Wow, I thought 'ok well maybe I can expect a few typos and someone is just trying to make more than what it is', BUT, reading those emails from him is just astoundingly scary!


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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which is why I gave you several examples of conservative dominance of the 1961-62 constitution writing process and who controlled it.
    George W. Romney was not a conservative and I fail to see how anything else you provided points towards conservatives doing anything.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    OMFG! OMG! The BS meter just exploded. Since when have you defended the second amendment?
    Constantly. But feel free to point to any post I have ever made advocating that people do not have their rights honored under the Second Amendment.

    Please do present that verifiable evidence as opposed to your own opinion which seems based on something other than verifiable evidence.

    regarding the absurd right wing meme that taxation is theft

    How did they get the taxation? Did they take it from by force and without the peoples consent? They did you say? Well then, it's theft. To put it lightly you're supporting theft right now.
    can you point to me any taxes in Michigan which were imposed upon people without going through the duly elected peoples representatives in our Constitutionally established government?

    This THEFT nonsense is so without any factual foundation that it borders on the worst sort of extremist demagoguery.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A most excellent question. I will never ever understand why libertarians and conservatives will bend over backwards and do all sorts of mental gymnastics just to screw the average worker when the choice is between corporate interests and the people.
    How is that the choice?

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    George W. Romney was not a conservative and I fail to see how anything else you provided points towards conservatives doing anything.
    I gave you two excellent examples of the conservative nature of the Michigan constitution that he helped write. Perhaps you need to look at the actual document produced and not judge those who produced it by 2013 tea party standards?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are countless book written about it, countless studies written about it. In short, Detroit has been one of the most racially divided communities in the nation for a very long time. This goes back a full century after the great southern migration to the north and midwest. It proved to be one of the great factors in the exodus of whites from the city in the Fifties and Sixties which caused the decline in population and the decline in tax collections.

    Detroit's downfall: Decline of autos, troubled racial history blamed for city's decline | neurope.eu
    I've never been a fan of the word countless, it is usually used by someone trying to sell me something, but that is neither here nor there. I did see that you posted a link but could only see it when I quoted your post. I still haven't seen any reference to what the racial problems were/are. I see from your article from Europe that the declined had already begun in 1950 and "Detroit's singular reliance on an auto industry that stumbled badly and its long history of racial strife proved a disastrous combination." I read further and the only issues that were referenced was "white flight" and a shift of population to the suburbs. I still don't know what are the strife and racial problems being referenced in either the article or your posts.

    Are you saying that white people moving out of a city is a cause of Detroit's downfall or one of the many symptoms? If so, you seem to be implying that leaving a city to a predominantly minority population will contribute to a cities decline.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is that the choice?
    Yeah - its pathetic isn't it. But it is the choice just the same in the minds of the right wing.
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