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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh you can still file for bankruptcy and free yourself from lots of obligations. Just not public pensions. Perhaps this should be known as LIMITED GOVERNMENT?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Who knew it was Unconstitutional to go broke!
    When liberals are in charge dumb things happen. Like pensions relying on taxation being part of the constitution.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They already have effectively done that by adopting the Constitution as shown. And that was done in 1963.

    Or if you do not like that interpretation, the only other one is that it forbids pensions to be part of a city bankruptcy.

    Either way, pensions are sacred in this state.
    Just guessing but I would interpret it as referring to the state pension funds. What if the state were to go bankrupt? Would the US constitution make the federal government cosign for the funds? There have to be consequences for mismanagement whether in business or in government. We can't allow managers to do whatever they feel like doing, fail and then be bailed out. I would support completing the bankruptcy and then turning the city over to the employees for a few years. Let them do what is necessary to improve things and protect their pension. They have the real incentive. Then, when things settle down, they can have elections and do a better job of demanding performance from those they elect. The citizens share in the failure for electing incompetents and letting them practice their incompetence without interference.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh you can still file for bankruptcy and free yourself from lots of obligations. Just not public pensions. Perhaps this should be known as LIMITED GOVERNMENT?
    If you can't pay them then it really doesn't matter what a judge says. It's not like Detroit can print money!
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By attempting to violate the very Constitution of the State of Michigan and the obligations therein? That is astounding.
    You really can't grasp this, can you.

    The city is broke. They do not have the funds to pay their debts. What are they supposed to do? Are the citizens of Michigan that DON'T live or vote in the city of Detroit somehow liable for this debt? Whether you realize it or not, that is exactly what you are saying. Maybe the courts will rule that the this is indeed the case but think of the slippery slope that ruling would set up. It would basically give cities the green light to spend to their hearts content knowing that, ultimately, the state would have to bail them out. Seems to me that ruling this way would be incredibly irresponsible.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    If you can't pay them then it really doesn't matter what a judge says. It's not like Detroit can print money!
    here is a hint
    obviously you need it
    this means that within the bankruptcy, the pensioners cannot be compelled to take a financial haircut
    not true of other creditors
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When are you going to start caring for the second amendment as much as you care about a ponzi scheme based entirely on theft from the people being part of a state constitution? Just wondering is all.
    Every gun post I have ever made is from a deep and profound caring for the Second Amendment as written and as ratified. I have long campaigned against the perversion of it by toadies and sycophants of the gun lobby who would change it from the way it actually was written and of its meaning when written.

    I have no idea where this THEFT come in. Or are you using the term the way some right wing extremists use the term THEFT in place of taxation?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Every gun post I have ever made is from a deep and profound caring for the Second Amendment as written and as ratified. I have long campaigned against the perversion of it by toadies and sycophants of the gun lobby who would change it from the way it actually was written and of its meaning when written.
    OMFG! OMG! The BS meter just exploded. Since when have you defended the second amendment? Who do you think you are bull****ing right now? The only reason you care about this that you can't bear to recognize that pensions have never made a lick of sense in the private sector or the public sector.

    I have no idea where this THEFT come in. Or are you using the term the way some right wing extremists use the term THEFT in place of taxation?
    It depends. How did they get the taxation? Did they take it from by force and without the peoples consent? They did you say? Well then, it's theft. To put it lightly you're supporting theft right now. Congrats?

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Every gun post I have ever made is from a deep and profound caring for the Second Amendment as written and as ratified. I have long campaigned against the perversion of it by toadies and sycophants of the gun lobby who would change it from the way it actually was written and of its meaning when written.

    I have no idea where this THEFT come in. Or are you using the term the way some right wing extremists use the term THEFT in place of taxation?


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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By attempting to violate the very Constitution of the State of Michigan and the obligations therein? That is astounding.
    What's astounding is that you've argued so vigorously on these very forums about how the U.S. Constitution is so living and open to interpretation. But oh boy touch your pet issues and suddenly it's incomprehensible? *eating popcorn*

    If there ever was an issue with government corruption this is a great, tragic, example. You can't legislate that taxpayers ensure your political cronies have ZERO risk in the economy on taxpayer subsidized rates and investments for their entire life. Democrats have been using government to collect taxes and redistribute to their operatives and base for decades, it's the old tried and true liberal political machine. That it lasts as long as it does is a testament to how good you guys are at ****ing over the rest of us, no doubt...you should be applauded for that. But the music as others pointed out, eventually stops.

    The public workers are just as much a victim here as the taxpayers, let's not lose sight of that. You and your ilk have sold them what you should never have tried to sell them, because it was not yours to begin with. They were suckered by that tried and true political propaganda and now they have to bear that burden.

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