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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Have you recently converted to anarchism Federalist?
    Nah, I just oppose unjust laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nah, I just oppose unjust laws.
    yup - you believe in the necessity of the state.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually - it is. Perhaps you are familiar with truths like judge a man by his actions and not his words?
    Actually - it isn't. If I am paying for something, it is not hypocritical for me to use it. I pay for medicare, I pay for SS, I pay for public schools, that I utilize those things is not hypocrisy. Stop forcing me to pay for those things and I wont use them. That is a simple enough formulation even for you to grasp. Yet you cant grasp it.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the peoples government decides accordingly and part of your taxes are used for it - the matter is closed.
    we get it, haymarket. All that you care about is getting other peoples' money. Fortunately, I don't think we are going to bail out Detroit, so the question is likely moot.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup - you believe in the necessity of the state.
    Hmm, I see. You don't like my use of term statist. How about thieving authoritarian control-freak scumbags?

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

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    There are islands for sale. Other nations welcome immigrants. But that choice is yours and not mine to make.

    The Pilgrims were not exactly answering a TV marketing campaign promising a land of milk and honey and sandy beaches with cold drinks with umbrellas in them now were they?
    Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not to simply move again and again but to start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't, and formed a new system of gov't in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not move again and agin but start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't and started a new system in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible.
    Worth also noting is that when the Pilgrims first arrived, they tried out a big-government communal system, that resulted in the colony almost starving completely out of existence. Then they switched to a smaller-government free-market system, and turned out much better .

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we get it, haymarket. All that you care about is getting other peoples' money. Fortunately, I don't think we are going to bail out Detroit, so the question is likely moot.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Actually - it isn't. If I am paying for something, it is not hypocritical for me to use it. I pay for medicare, I pay for SS, I pay for public schools, that I utilize those things is not hypocrisy. Stop forcing me to pay for those things and I wont use them. That is a simple enough formulation even for you to grasp. Yet you cant grasp it.
    But you are then paying twice. Once as a taxpayer and the second time you pay by giving up your own values and the things that you pretend you believe in but which your actions show that you don't. And the second time you are exposing yourself as a hypocrite for doing so.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Good point. But what the pilgrims (actually their later generations) did was not to simply move again and again but to start an armed revolt, overthrowing the bonds of that oppresive gov't, and formed a new system of gov't in the areas that they currently occupied. They then expanded that "occupied" territory (the 13 original states) considerably and as rapidly as possible.
    Yes - that is our history that people revolted against a foreign power which had imposed a colonial status upon them and was exploiting them.
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