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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    whatever steps, if any, were taken to attract and keep new business ventures were an abysmal failure.

    there will be no middle class growth until the business environment improves.... it's simply a horrible business environment to operate in, and it's getting worse, day by day.
    why pay exorbitant tax rates on income, property, and inventory when you can choose from a long list of other places that don't have these?

    unfortunately, business now also has to deal with a deeply flawed talent pool ... the good talent moved away long ago

    it's a mess...it's gonna take a lot of creativity, and a lot of hard work and sacrifice to bring that city back.... the Detroit of the 40's is dead, folks need to understand that and work in the NOW.. stuff that was good in the 40's was good in the 40's, but today, it's dead.... for better or worse, it's a entirely different world, 1940's rules don't apply.
    Hey, I'll agree with you that Michigan's tax system needs a overhaul. It is one of the most regressive tax systems in the US. But, the ironic thing is business is starting to build there and more people are becoming employed but at low wages.

    Nearly a third of its workforce earn low wages.

    "Of the seven occupations that employ the greatest number of workers in Michigan, five have a median wage that will not bring a family of four out of poverty, according to the MLHS.
    These occupations are: retail salespeople, cashiers, food preparation and service workers, waiters and waitresses and janitors and cleaners." 27% of Michigan workers in low-wage jobs | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    Many of these jobs did earn the median income in this country at one time. With the demise of unions, don't expect working conditions for many people who work in these fields to improve or for a strong middle class to grow. We are just growing more poverty.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Are you joking or have you been hiding under a rock?
    I guess I've been living under a rock. Would you like to tell me how (in your words) "savior" saved the auto industry. TIA

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those here of a rabid partisan nature who keep wanting to scream ITS THE DAMN DEMOCRATS may want a dose of reality. From 1950 to 1961, Detroit had two mayors - Cobo and Mariani. Both were members of the Republican Party. During that same period, Detroit saw the beginning of its decline and lost a full 10% of its population.

    So much for the partisan blame game.

    Albert Cobo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    yes, there were republicans in the 60's... job well done in proving what I had already said.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well somebody is on the job protecting pensions and the rights of workers"

    Judge rules Detroit Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing unconstitutional



    Read more: Judge rules Detroit Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing unconstitutional
    I'm curious - do you feel that public servants, government workers, should have a higher level of protection against bankruptcy than workers in the private sector?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, there were republicans in the 60's... job well done in proving what I had already said.
    What you said made no sense in the first place nor did you offer any verifiable evidence for what you said.

    Again I have provided you with verifiable evidence that the great slide downwards of Detroit began under two Republican mayors. So if you want to blame a party - begin there.

    I also have stated that it is outright ridiculous to affix the blame on a party since the real factors of Detroits decline have little to do with partisan politics.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm curious - do you feel that public servants, government workers, should have a higher level of protection against bankruptcy than workers in the private sector?
    That would depend on what the constitution and the law says. For example, Michigan teachers pensions are guaranteed by the Michigan Constitution. That is simply reality. This was done in part to encourage people to take public school jobs at lower salaries than many private sector jobs so there was a trade off for that.
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    See the above post and see the facts. Sorry to rain on your parade but Cobo and Mariani were both republicans. And Detroit lost nearly 200,000 people during their reign. And that trend established under their rule did not abate once the slide down the hill was started.

    I know its a real bitch when facts bite you in the ass like that.

    And of course, the loss of tax base, the loss of manufacturing, the loss of jobs, racial polarization.... had nothing to do with it as it was all politics. How completely absurd.

    But the far right likes to hate both Detroit and Democrats so its a no brain twofer for them. Emphasis on no brain.
    typical Democrat.. despite utterly ruling a city, lock stock and barrel, for 50+ years.. you want to blame Republicans.


    I know you have a habit if ignoring my words... but it gets tiresome having to correct you.
    I have specifically said i like Detroit....I'll give you not liking Democrats, though....you claiming I hate Detroit is false.. it's a lie.

    but then again, you probably weren't talking about me when you spewed off the same old " far right wing" bull**** you always pull... as i'm not far right wing, or even near right wing.
    for the hundredth time, on a left right scale, I consistently and historically fall in the center...I'm not the bogey man you continually pretend I am.

    well, that's not true, to you authoritarians, left or right wing... I am most certainly the bogeyman.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm curious - do you feel that public servants, government workers, should have a higher level of protection against bankruptcy than workers in the private sector?
    The government does lend protection to people in the private sector when pensions get dumped. It's called the PBGC which stands for Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation.

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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would depend on what the constitution and the law says. For example, Michigan teachers pensions are guaranteed by the Michigan Constitution. That is simply reality. This was done in part to encourage people to take public school jobs at lower salaries than many private sector jobs so there was a trade off for that.
    Do you believe that guarantee under the Michigan State Constitution would stand a US Supreme Court challenge under the equal protections provisions?

    If you were in Michigan and a civil servant, would you be concerned that the courts getting involved in the bankruptcy proceedings on pension related issues may lead to a challenge of the State's constitution in federal courts?
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    re: Judge rules Detroit bankruptcy filing UNCONSTITUTIONAL[W:584]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The government does lend protection to people in the private sector when pensions get dumped. It's called the PBGC which stands for Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation.
    Could be very true, but that is different from estopping a bankruptcy proceeding based on a state constitutional protection.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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