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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Wow, so by cutting out all other deaths such as a child getting daddy's pistol and shooting his sister and just looking at murder you get the numbers to within .02 people per 100,000! Never mind the pro-pack 'em crowd claims what a great deterrence Concealed Carry is and how 'safer' everyone is if most every who wants one can have one you eliminate all the accidental deaths caused by firearms and the difference is .02

    Wow, just wow...
    The biggest change is by eliminating suicides (about 50% of all US gun deaths) and justified shootings (zapping criminals), accidental gun fatalities were only 951 nationwide in 2011.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The biggest change is by eliminating suicides (about 50% of all US gun deaths) and justified shootings (zapping criminals), accidental gun fatalities were only 951 nationwide in 2011.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
    Why eliminate suicides by gun? Are they not violent enough for you?
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope. You're making it up.



    Gun violence in the United States by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Illinois 3.5/100,000 - 364 deaths a year.
    Texas 5/100,000 - 805 deaths a year.

    Please... please.. stop making things up.
    You have to subtract those that are self defense. That doesn't qualify. Look at violent crime.

    Oh, and Texas has a border where the drug cartels are thicker than flies. That wildly skews the numbers.

    Just look at the gun violence in Chicago alone. It's embarassing. It's like Cairo East.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You have to subtract those that are self defense. That doesn't qualify. Look at violent crime.
    Because shooting someone in self-defense has nothing to do with violent crime

    Oh, and Texas has a border where the drug cartels are thicker than flies. That wildly skews the numbers
    Unlike Chicago, where there's almost no drug trafficking and isn't separated from a foreign nation by nothing but a body of water
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    I'm suprised they also didn't say he was a tea party racist gun nut in addition to being from Texas.
    Stop Race baiting.....

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But why should that (ie rural versus urban) matter at all when the line is "more guns means less crime"?
    That is not my line. Obviously it depends upon who has the gun whether it will be used in a crime. It is clear that a higher percentage of folks are armed in the rural area where I live than in a nearby city like Austin, yet we have less crime. Criminals are basically a lazy lot and will tend to do their crime where they will face the least (armed) resistance. Gangs survive by using fear of reprisals to assure that nobody "witnesses" their crimes and generally operate in small urban areas that are easier to control, since vast rural areas are very hard to gain/maintain control over.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is not my line. Obviously it depends upon who has the gun whether it will be used in a crime. It is clear that a higher percentage of folks are armed in the rural area where I live than in a nearby city like Austin, yet we have less crime. Criminals are basically a lazy lot and will tend to do their crime where they will face the least (armed) resistance. Gangs survive by using fear of reprisals to assure that nobody "witnesses" their crimes and generally operate in small urban areas that are easier to control, since vast rural areas are very hard to gain/maintain control over.
    I've seen no evidence about rural areas having higher rates of gun ownership than urban ones. The evidence suggests otherwise.

    However, I'm glad to see you reject the nonsensical "more guns = less crime" myth
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're right that it wasn't a CCW case. It's "open display". My bad

    Which again falls under the "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: " and "or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places"
    Was he in a gun free zone? If so then why isn't he charged with that also? Since he wasn't then we can only assume that he was not in a gun free zone. And the sensitive place would be if he had been on the white house grounds. Which he wasn't.

    I do admit that the first part..the..."It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" might apply. But then it is so open ended as to be meaningless because one could argue that it would apply in this situation and could argue that it wouldn't apply and both assertions would be correct. As such its worthless.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are far fewer assholes in Texas too...see a pattern?
    Disagree with you on that one buddy

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why eliminate suicides by gun? Are they not violent enough for you?
    They are indeed violent, and we should give these perps the DP - woops, that would be moot. Why not compare the number of deaths from motor vehicles to those of guns? More deaths and far, far more injuries could be prevented by banning cars (or reducing the speed limit to 10 mph) than by banning (or limitting the ammo capacity of) guns and there are no constitutional issues to make that hard to do.
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