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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    I can probably guess who he wanted to shoot those "Couple of Shots" at, And I wouldn't blame him.
    So...some shirtless idiot should with a bullet have the power on his own to overturn the democratic process. Basically take out the leader of a country elected by 10's of millions of Americans?

    I knew Libertarians weren't too keen on Democracy but that's just anarchy.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Gun free zones are what is considered "sensitive areas". Hence why they are gun free. A government building is a sensitive area. A school with a bunch of children is a sensitive area. Anything else is not unless you want to expand that into "any area where a person could shoot lots of people. Which would mean any public area period. There has to be a limit to these "sensitive areas" otherwise you could claim any area as "sensitive" and ignore the 2nd Amendment period. There's a reason why that ruling gave examples of government buildings and schools.

    And I don't consider the area around the white house grounds as being a "sensitive area". Like I said...there has to be a limit.
    "Sensitive areas" does not mean "govt buildings and GFZ's only"

    While there does need to be limits on the definition, I think any reasonable definition would include the area around the White House.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So...some shirtless idiot should with a bullet have the power on his own to overturn the democratic process. Basically take out the leader of a country elected by 10's of millions of Americans?

    I knew Libertarians weren't too keen on Democracy but that's just anarchy.
    They're not too keen on liberty either
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I disagree about it being "willing" when the person doing so is afflicted with a mental disorder. And suicides by gun often involve the person committing some type of crime, such as firing a weapon in a residential area, etc.
    "Mental disorder" is used way too much. Many that kill themselves do so because they believe they have a terrible life or will never be able to recover from something they consider tragic. (perhaps for example the death of ones child or some major disease). Yeah, some may be due to some mental disorder. But the majority of suicides is because of something environmental. Bully's, death of loved ones, etc etc.

    As for shooting in a residential area....sorry but that's just grasping.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "Mental disorder" is used way too much. Many that kill themselves do so because they believe they have a terrible life or will never be able to recover from something they consider tragic. (perhaps for example the death of ones child or some major disease). Yeah, some may be due to some mental disorder.
    Gee, you think?

    But the majority of suicides is because of something environmental. Bully's, death of loved ones, etc etc.
    Of course. People who are mentally healthy kill themselves all the time!! :
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again, it is not killing "someone". It is killing "yourself". BIG difference. You are right though that it is not in defense of others. As for self defense? That's debateable. So do cars, hammers, knives and many other objects. And in greater numbers than guns. Yet you don't see "common sense safety regulations" on any of those with the exceptions of cars...and yet they still manage to kill more than guns.
    It is killing someone, yourself is a someone or have we slipped into right wing re-definitions again?

    I wondered when someone would start the hammers kill more people than my pistol crap. This isn't about ALL murders, a very ill informed 'conservative' tried to fly more 'gun' deaths in Illinois than Texas crap, PLEASE try and stay on topic, PLENTY of threads to rant about screwdrivers and broken bottles.

    And we have gone down the car road before- far more cars in constant USE than firearms. A rifle in the closet isn't the same as speeding down the highway in 1.5 tons of metal at 65 mph for 3 hours a day, every day. Well not until a boy pulls the rifle out to play with and shoots his sister.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Do you think if he was from Chicago, it would begin "An Illinois man......". Of course not. Typical media bias.

    And by the way, a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas. And they have laws against guns.
    THIS is what the discussion over Texas vs Illinois centered on. GUN VIOLENCE, not murder, not excluding suicides, not excluding accidental- GUN VIOLENCE and everyone should admit that includes suicides and accidentals.

    I know some desperately want to deflect the topic but this is what we were discussing....

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    2.91/100,000 vrs 2.93/100,000? that is a difference of 0.02

    so they are statisically the same?
    According to the FBI, it's 3.2 Gun Murders Per 100,000 in TX, and 2.8 per 100,000 in Il.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    We do have the right to end our own lives. You know, the whole controlling your destiny thing. Besides, its a mental health problem, not a gun problem. Guns are just a means to an end and if you ban them they will just pick other means towards that end.
    Research shows this to not actually be true. Making suicide even slightly more inconvenient actually has a notable impact on the rates of suicide. Turns out that extra couple seconds of thinking about it makes many change their minds.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Research shows this to not actually be true. Making suicide even slightly more inconvenient actually has a notable impact on the rates of suicide. Turns out that extra couple seconds of thinking about it makes many change their minds.
    Are you perhaps pushing for waiting periods? Sorry, you're a bit transparent. The fact is if you ban guns as I said they would never pick that method to start with and if you make the period to long they will decide on some other method. I don't happen to care regardless as I don't happen to find it's the government job to limit peoples liberty so they will change their minds.
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