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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They are indeed violent, and we should give these perps the DP - woops, that would be moot. Why not compare the number of deaths from motor vehicles to those of guns? More deaths and far, far more injuries could be prevented by banning cars (or reducing the speed limit to 10 mph) than by banning (or limitting the ammo capacity of) guns and there are no constitutional issues to make that hard to do.
    I'd be happy to compare cars, which are heavily regulated, to guns. In addition to requiring licensing and restricting where they can be, we also use cars more often, and the amount of time used should be included in the calculation to determine how dangerous they should be considered.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    He said "It is clear that a higher percentage of folks are armed in the rural area where I live than in a nearby city like Austin"

    He was talking about where he lived...not in general.
    You're right, but in that case, it's nothing but an anecdote.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Because one is done willingly. The other is not. One is illegal. The other is not. The only reason those that are anti-gun use suicide is to make the problem seem bigger than it actually is.

    The whole arguement of the anti-gun side is about criminals using guns to harm other people. That arguement by itself is a legitimate arguement. But as everyone knows the degree matters alot when it comes to the Rights outlined in the BoR. Which is why they want to use suicide statistics also because it beefs up the numbers and makes it seem more severe than it really is. Those that commit suicide are not harming anyone but themselves. They are not breaking any laws. Those two things right there takes them out of the equation for any legitimate claim to limit peoples 2nd Amendment Right.
    I disagree about it being "willing" when the person doing so is afflicted with a mental disorder. And suicides by gun often involve the person committing some type of crime, such as firing a weapon in a residential area, etc.

    And you are wrong to misrepresent the gun safety advocates as being only about criminals using guns. That is a straw man
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Suicide is a self preventing crime as it has a ZERO recidivism rate and perp = victim in every case. I am not at all opposed to holding those criminally responsible for gun "accidents" if gross negligence can be proven, thus they would count as criminal gun deaths and not accidents.

    It is silly to assert that criminal gangs would be deterred by gun bans, as these gangs make most of their money dealing in illegal drugs (also banned nationwide). Mexico has very strict gun and drug laws, yet has plenty of both. The police state required to enforce any ban is well beyond that which the public would be willing to tolerate, thus the failure of nearly all national attempts at "gun control".

    The war on drugs "succeeds" only in briefly locking up morons (at high cost) that are either simply users or low level "dealers" in the supply chain. As long as there is demand, and huge profits to be made, the supply/distribution of recreational drugs will continue, so gangs will survive and maintain power primarily using that drug money.
    Never said criminal gangs are deterred- just the opposite as it seems gang/drug killings are the same no matter the restrictions- so niether an armed citizenry nor a 'defenseless' one figures into that side of the equation.

    The rest is way off track for this discussion- even slicing out all but the murders the difference between the deterrent affect of Concealed carry and highly restricted ownership is a push... .02 per 100,000. Seems the addition of firearms in the home doesn't greatly reduce murders but rather significantly increases firearm deaths overall.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And suicides by gun often involve the person committing some type of crime, such as firing a weapon in a residential area, etc.
    That sounds serious.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Do you think if he was from Chicago, it would begin "An Illinois man......". Of course not. Typical media bias.

    And by the way, a LOT more people die in Illinois from gun violence than Texas. And they have laws against guns.
    Ummm no. Not according to the FBI. And it's not even close. I bet you heard that on Right Wing Radio. That stuff will rot your brain.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The quote I posted did not say that the govt can only limit the possession of guns in a GFZ. I don't know why you keep bringing that up.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to consider the area around the White House to be a "sensitive" location.

    I'd also like to point out that before he pulled the weapon out of his backpack, it was being concealed.
    Gun free zones are what is considered "sensitive areas". Hence why they are gun free. A government building is a sensitive area. A school with a bunch of children is a sensitive area. Anything else is not unless you want to expand that into "any area where a person could shoot lots of people. Which would mean any public area period. There has to be a limit to these "sensitive areas" otherwise you could claim any area as "sensitive" and ignore the 2nd Amendment period. There's a reason why that ruling gave examples of government buildings and schools.

    And I don't consider the area around the white house grounds as being a "sensitive area". Like I said...there has to be a limit.
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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    I can probably guess who he wanted to shoot those "Couple of Shots" at, And I wouldn't blame him.

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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    I can probably guess who he wanted to shoot those "Couple of Shots" at, And I wouldn't blame him.
    I'm a little biased toward "not killing the President." Whichever party he's from.


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    Re: Armed man arrested near White House wanted ‘fire a couple of shots,’ police say

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You are correct there is no law against suicide, my bad. however it is still killing someone who is no threat or danger to any other person- the standard for justifiable killing. I see suicide by firearm as a firearm death that wasn't in self defense or defense of others.
    Again, it is not killing "someone". It is killing "yourself". BIG difference. You are right though that it is not in defense of others. As for self defense? That's debateable.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Now since the reality is firearms cause all manner of deaths past murder including those victims in the discussion as the cemetery includes the bodies of those victims as well....
    So do cars, hammers, knives and many other objects. And in greater numbers than guns. Yet you don't see "common sense safety regulations" on any of those with the exceptions of cars...and yet they still manage to kill more than guns.
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