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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    A military judge has refused to dismiss the most serious charge against the Army private who gave reams of classified information to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.
    The charge of aiding the enemy faced by Pfc Bradley Manning is punishable by up to life in prison without parole.


    Colonel Denise Lind, the judge in Manning's court-martial, on Thursday denied defence requests to drop that charge and a computer fraud charge, ruling that the government had presented some evidence to support each element of the charges.


    Lind is still considering defence motions to acquit Manning of five theft counts.


    To convict Manning, the government must prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt; however, they had to meet a less stringent standard in convincing Lind that the charges should stand.


    Read more @: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This could seriously cause a very very slippery slope to define what "aiding the enemy is".


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    I disagree of course. In this case it's a simple and straightforward line he learned and agreed to BEFORE he received his classification.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I disagree of course. In this case it's a simple and straightforward line he learned and agreed to BEFORE he received his classification.
    To prove that he aided the enemy the prosecution would have to prove that Manning had "actual knowledge" that by passing documents to WikiLeaks he was giving information to an enemy of the US.


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    To prove that he aided the enemy the prosecution would have to prove that Manning had "actual knowledge" that by passing documents to WikiLeaks he was giving information to an enemy of the US.
    Yup, so? If you don't want to be charged with aiding the enemy don't give out classified documents - blindingly simple. Now that he has, he's exposed himself to those charges. Whether the prosecution meets the burden to convict him of that charge is superfluous. He did the deed and exposed himself to the charge. No slippery slope and he knew going in that he would face such a charge, among others, when he took the action.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yup, so?
    Thats going to be very hard to prove.

    If you don't want to be charged with aiding the enemy don't give out classified documents - blindingly simple. Now that he has, he's exposed himself to those charges. Whether the prosecution meets the burden to convict him of that charge is superfluous. He did the deed and exposed himself to the charge. No slippery slope and he knew going in that he would face such a charge, among others, when he took the action.
    By labeling Wikileaks as "an enemy of the US" would pertty much be labeling a journalist institution an enemy of the US and to prove that Manning knowingly handed over documents to an "enemy" would also be hard to prove saying that almost no one knew of Wikileaks when this happened. Also it will be hard to prove because the government didnt train anyone to the source that Wikileaks was an "enemy of the US".


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats going to be very hard to prove.


    By labeling Wikileaks as "an enemy of the US" would pertty much be labeling a journalist institution an enemy of the US and to prove that Manning knowingly handed over documents to an "enemy" would also be hard to prove saying that almost no one knew of Wikileaks when this happened. Also it will be hard to prove because the government didnt train anyone to the source that Wikileaks was an "enemy of the US".
    You're over thinking it. Not that difficult to prove or to conceive that he knew the enemy would be aided by the info he revealed to a source he knew was going to release it to the world. Wikileaks has nothing to do with this other than being the conduit. He just used them thinking he could keep his own butt out of the hotseat.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Perhaps a reliable story. At this point, I don't have any interest in accepting Aljazeera as an unimpeachable US news source.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're over thinking it. Not that difficult to prove or to conceive that he knew the enemy would be aided by the info he revealed to a source he knew was going to release it to the world. Wikileaks has nothing to do with this other than being the conduit. He just used them thinking he could keep his own butt out of the hotseat.
    He didnt directly give it to the enemy thats my whole point. He gave it to Wikileaks. The whole thing has to reveal around is that if he knowingly gave it to the enemy (Wikileaks), then one has to ask is Wikileaks the enemy of the US


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Perhaps a reliable story. At this point, I don't have any interest in accepting Aljazeera as an unimpeachable US news source.
    I dont see how this report is at all questionable..


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Manning gave classified material to Wikileaks knowing that it would then be disseminated over the internet. Manning knew that the USA's enemies have access to the internet; therefore, Manning knowingly provided classified material to USA's enemies. That's treason.

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