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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Did you know that Wikileaks was his third choice? Did you know he tried to give the material to NYT and WaPo while home on leave?
    Which basically shows he knew the information would be made available to enemies of the state. Aiding & abetting.
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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    The press has plenty of access; however there were lessons learned from Vietnam and in today's hyper connected world there are CI reasons why some information is not real time.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which basically shows he knew the information would be made available to enemies of the state. Aiding & abetting.
    That's assuming that WaPo and NYT inform the enemies, and that Manning understood that.

    Given his statements to the court and elsewhere, Manning's goal was the same as Ellsberg's and many others--to inform the american people of the crimes being committed in their name, and with their tax dollars, by their government.

    I understand that. Is it too complicated for you to grasp? Do you object to the american people being informed of government mischief?

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    That's assuming that WaPo and NYT inform the enemies, and that Manning understood that.
    They're global publications. Which pretty much ensures that they would have. Unless of course NK, Iran etc, don't have internet. Which then, all cool. I guess.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    Since Wikileaks is in fact a journalist organization, it seems incredibly unlikely that the charge of aiding the enemy will fall through. I believe that if they actually wanted to get him in prison (assuming no court bias), then they would have charged him with similar crimes as they did Snowden: theft of government property, willful communication of intelligence to an unauthorized person, etc.

    Oh, and where is the evidence that the information released actually could allow enemies of the U.S. to further their goals? Could I get a link or something?

    If it can't, then by definition he rendered no aid to the enemy.
    From List of charges against Bradley Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The charges can be broken down as follows:

    UCMJ 104 (Aiding the enemy): 1 count. This charge carries a potential death penalty.

    UCMJ 92 (Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation): 9 counts. Mostly related to computers.[2][3]
    Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-6(k): Forbids transferring classified info to non-secure systems
    Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-5(a)(3): Modifying or installing unauthorized software to a system, using it for 'unintended' purposes.
    Army Regulation 25-2, para. 4-5(a)(4): Circumventing security mechanisms
    Army Regulation 380-5: Improper storage of Classified Information

    UCMJ 134 (General article): 24 counts. Most of these counts incorporate civilian statutes from the United States Code:
    18 U.S.C. 641: Embezzlement and Theft of Public Money, Property or Records. The government has claimed that various sets of records that Manning transferred were 'things of value' and has thus charged him under this statute.
    18 U.S.C. 793(e): This is part of the Espionage Act. The law forbids 'unauthorized persons' from taking 'national defense' information and either 'retaining' it or delivering it to 'persons not entitled to receive it'. The terminology is rather complicated and often contested in court. 793(e) exists because the McCarran Internal Security Act of 1950 modified the original 1917 Espionage Act, partly because of the Alger Hiss/Pumpkin papers case. It is also the same law used against Daniel Ellsberg and Anthony Russo in the Pentagon papers case.[4][5]
    18 U.S.C. 1030(a) 1 & 2: These are from the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986. 1030(a)(1) is sometimes called the 'Computer Espionage' law as it borrows much of its language from the Espionage Act. It was modified by the USA Patriot Act of 2001, which added it to the 'Federal Crimes of Terrorism' list, as well as making it prosecutable under RICO (Racketeering) law.[6]

    Total number of counts: 34

    He is being charged with similar charges to Snowden, however, because he is military and was outside the US at the time, the military justice system takes jurisdiction and the charges all have to be related to the UCMJ somehow. The OP only focused upon the one charge.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Sounds like your average legal cluster**** on a larger scale than usual.
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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    Sounds like your average legal cluster**** on a larger scale than usual.
    Don't do the crime if you won't do the time- at least Manning didn't run like a punk though. Hard labor here he comes!

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Don't do the crime if you won't do the time- at least Manning didn't run like a punk though. Hard labor here he comes!
    Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    Guilty until proven innocent, eh?
    Ain't that a bitch? LOL

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge - Americas - Al Jazeera English

    This could seriously cause a very very slippery slope to define what "aiding the enemy is". [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Why bother pretending that he's even going to have a chance in hell of being acquitted? The sad fact is that this young man will not walk. He pulled a run-around on the U.S. government, and embarrassed them to boot. There's no way you'll be freed if you make the U.S. government look bad. They'll find a way to make him pay.

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