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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, he can't. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense in a military court.
    Uhhh no one is arguing "he was ignorant of the law".


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

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    That could be literally anything, including a journalist organization and many would label Wikileaks as such, therefor many many people should of been convicted like this and therfor many organizations including MSM news outlest should be labeled "enemies of the US".
    That's not what I asked. The question I asked was: Did he or did he not know Wikileaks would make sure the information became available to enemies? If he did, he's aiding and abetting. Case closed.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what I asked. The question I asked was: Did he or did he not know Wikileaks would make sure the information became available to enemies? If he did, he's aiding and abetting. Case closed.
    Just like the Guardian did? The whole thing revolves around giving the information to an "enemy of the US" he handed the information over to Wikileaks, therefor wikileaks is free to do what they want with the infromation just like any journalist organization, are we going to label Wikileaks as an enemy of the US because they are the ones that released it to the public at large.


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Just like the Guardian did? The whole thing revolves around giving the information to an "enemy of the US" he handed the information over to Wikileaks, therefor wikileaks is free to do what they want with the infromation just like any journalist organization, are we going to label Wikileaks as an enemy of the US because they are the ones that released it to the public at large.
    (2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

    The bolded is what it really revolves around. A member of the panel is going to judge it based upon that statement, period. That is the legal grounds and definition that is appropriate to this case.

    If I was a member of the panel, I would weigh the evidence against the appropriate article and determine if he violated that article. How he did it, where he did it, through what outlet/media he did, why he did it, etc, does not matter, only whether he did it or not. Did he or did he not without proper authority, give intelligence to or communicate or correspond with or hold any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly? That is the question, everything else has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. Yes he can.
    Um, trust me- he cannot. Anyone who has ever had a TS SCI knows.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Just like the Guardian did?
    You're trying to drag other people down with Manning. The Guardian wasn't the one who made the decision to take the information from computers they weren't allowed to.

    The whole thing revolves around giving the information to an "enemy of the US" he handed the information over to Wikileaks, therefor wikileaks is free to do what they want with the infromation just like any journalist organization, are we going to label Wikileaks as an enemy of the US because they are the ones that released it to the public at large.
    No, it really doesn't. The issue revolves around: Were they aware of what would be done with the information they were giving out? If yes, they were aiding and abetting. The fact that journalistic organizations can now print the information given to them is another issue entirely unto itself. The Guardian didn't steal the information. Neither did Wikileaks. If the people who originally stole the information knew it would be given to enemies of the state or made readily available to them, they were committing treason.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Since Wikileaks is in fact a journalist organization, it seems incredibly unlikely that the charge of aiding the enemy will fall through. I believe that if they actually wanted to get him in prison (assuming no court bias), then they would have charged him with similar crimes as they did Snowden: theft of government property, willful communication of intelligence to an unauthorized person, etc.

    Oh, and where is the evidence that the information released actually could allow enemies of the U.S. to further their goals? Could I get a link or something?

    If it can't, then by definition he rendered no aid to the enemy.
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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    Since Wikileaks is in fact a journalist organization, it seems incredibly unlikely that the charge of aiding the enemy will fall through. I believe that if they actually wanted to get him in prison (assuming no court bias), then they would have charged him with similar crimes as they did Snowden: theft of government property, willful communication of intelligence to an unauthorized person, etc.

    Oh, and where is the evidence that the information released actually could allow enemies of the U.S. to further their goals? Could I get a link or something?

    If it can't, then by definition he rendered no aid to the enemy.
    Wikilieaks is not a journalist organization- thats an insult to journalists. WL is an anti-secrecy cult.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what I asked. The question I asked was: Did he or did he not know Wikileaks would make sure the information became available to enemies? If he did, he's aiding and abetting. Case closed.
    Did you know that Wikileaks was his third choice? Did you know he tried to give the material to NYT and WaPo while home on leave?

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, even during the invasion of Iraq, there were reporters embedded with the troops. Jeraldo Rivera was kicked out because he released their location, a big no no. The military grants a lot of access, but yes, there are times and places where the press is not welcomed because it could reveal tactics, methods, capabilities, reveal sources and what we know, among other things that are classified so that the enemy does not learn them through public release.
    The media is still 'embedded'. So deeply embedded on all levels that the media merely regurgitates without question what it is told.

    The days of the Fourth Estate in this country are over. In the old days the media usually held the government accountable for its lies, mischief and criminal actions.

    Today's media rather performs a bizarre act of fellatio on the government.

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