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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

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    I'd rather be worried about my character than my sanity.
    Yes, that sounds about right.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This all comes back down to does this make Wikileaks a "enemy of the US"?
    Yes it does because, they have to prove that Manning had "actual knowledge" that by passing documents to WikiLeaks he was giving information to an enemy of the US.


    But a legal judge can. Thats why they are called judges.
    Uh, reread what the actual article from the UCMJ says. Indirectly is part of it, see (2).

    No it does not. The court has to prove that the enemy, aka Taliban/Al Queda could of received intelligence, period.

    No, a "legal judge" cannot. The military judicial system is completely separate from other courts until it reaches the Supreme Court. The SCOTUS is the only civilian court that has any say in the military judicial system.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I understand the story made up after the fact, and I don't really care. Prior to Desert Storm, the media were allowed into war zones. Why did we stop? Because the public started getting disgusted with what the reality of war looked like. The media ended the Vietnam War. Now we have media blackouts in our campaign zones. How is a democracy supposed to function when we are being kept in the dark of the realities of our violent campaigns?
    Actually, even during the invasion of Iraq, there were reporters embedded with the troops. Jeraldo Rivera was kicked out because he released their location, a big no no. The military grants a lot of access, but yes, there are times and places where the press is not welcomed because it could reveal tactics, methods, capabilities, reveal sources and what we know, among other things that are classified so that the enemy does not learn them through public release.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Uh, reread what the actual article from the UCMJ says. Indirectly is part of it, see (2).

    No it does not. The court has to prove that the enemy, aka Taliban/Al Queda could of received intelligence, period.

    No, a "legal judge" cannot. The military judicial system is completely separate from other courts until it reaches the Supreme Court. The SCOTUS is the only civilian court that has any say in the military judicial system.
    " in order to convict Manning, they are only required to prove that he had “actual knowledge”
    Is Judge Denise Lind Bradley Manning


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hey, listen - I don't think Manning should get a tough sentence but are you saying that he didn't realize WikiLeaks was going to release the information to the world - which I'll remind you - includes enemies of the US?
    That could be literally anything, including a journalist organization and many would label Wikileaks as such, therefor many many people should of been convicted like this and therfor many organizations including MSM news outlest should be labeled "enemies of the US".


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    US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    " in order to convict Manning, they are only required to prove that he had “actual knowledge”
    Is Judge Denise Lind Bradley Manning
    That shouldn't be hard; the guy is trained in infosec. He can't use the "I didn't know" excuse.

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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    That shouldn't be hard; the guy is trained in infosec. He can't use the "I didn't know" excuse.
    Yes. Yes he can.


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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. Yes he can.
    No, he can't. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense in a military court.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    " in order to convict Manning, they are only required to prove that he had “actual knowledge”
    Is Judge Denise Lind Bradley Manning
    And who are they quoting? I quoted you the actual article extracted from the UCMJ, which is what the panel will be using to judge innocence or guilt. Perhaps your sources need to understand some of the differences between military law and civil law.
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    Re: US judge rules not to drop Manning charge

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And who are they quoting?
    The judge..
    "But Lind concluded that Manning did have “actual knowledge” that the intelligence he leaked would end up in the hands of the enemy."
    JUDGE IN MANNING CASE ALLOWS CHARGE OF AIDING THE ENEMY - Nation - The Boston Globe

    I quoted you the actual article extracted from the UCMJ, which is what the panel will be using to judge innocence or guilt. Perhaps your sources need to understand some of the differences between military law and civil law.
    Yes because the judge herself isnt a "source"?


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