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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    In this day and age, it's probably rather cheap to keep all that info on file. You could have OCR software that converts the plates into text, and adds it to a searchable database.
    Ok but then what are they going to do with readily obvious patterns of behavior? They government cant (according to the Constitution) restrict your movements so whats the point?

    So what if they know where I go? Are private investigators breaking the law?

    Specifically the claim is big brother, but what does that mean? What Constitutional laws would be broken by having information that places a license plate at a certain location at a certain time? I suspect its the actions that could be done having that information that is the concern. So it isnt really having that information on file somewhere thats the problem its what could be done with that information. But what could be done with that information is the question?

    Most people live mundane boring lives. They drive to the store visit friends and gas stations. Perhaps go on vacations. Its really not anything that having that information would be relevant to anyone, but perhaps the person that owns the car. It would be a good service actually, you could look at the records and be able to say yea I was there on time but you were not. But then cell phones with GPS can already do that.

    It just makes one wonder what people are doing that they are afraid of law enforcement knowing.

    Personally I live in a not so populated area. Once I leave town there isnt any patrol cars to capture my location. And sometimes in town you hardly see a cop car.

    I also know that the local law enforcement keep tabs on peoples property. That way they can issue a ticket if you do something against a ordinance. Our right to privacy isnt really that big and never has been. The reason is because most things that we do are done in the public. Driving a car is only done in the public. So what if they know where you go and when. Its the why that is the concern.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its part of that "I got nothing to hide so its okay if...." mentality that some sheeple have.
    I don't really think that's the case here. I've seen most people on this thread at least arguing that if you have something to hide, then you shouldn't be doing it in public. It's not like the NSA and cell phones. Unless you're in a public place you have a reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on your phone. Even though it wouldn't affect me because I don't have something to hide, it still isn't justified because I could reasonably expect privacy there. On the other hand I shouldn't have an expectation of privacy when I drive around in public.
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    The scariest part of all of this is the fact that there are so many people that see data mining and the technology used to gather it as some sort of static endeavor that doesn't go anywhere or lead to anything. You are mistaken. Not only are they mining data, they're constantly developing more advanced and effective ways of doing it. This stuff gets more and more sophisticated every day as technology advances. Look at what they're able to do today as opposed to 50 years ago. Does anyone doubt that 50 years from now they'll be able to do things that make what is possible today seem primitive?

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    I'm cool with this.....
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Ok but then what are they going to do with readily obvious patterns of behavior?
    There's no evidence they are actively using this information to predict driving patterns, let alone other types of behavior.


    Specifically the claim is big brother, but what does that mean?
    Not much. 1984 was rather specifically anti-Stalinist and anti-police state. (Orwell was actually a socialist, btw.) Most people only have a vague idea of what 1984 is actually about.


    What Constitutional laws would be broken by having information that places a license plate at a certain location at a certain time?
    None.


    what could be done with that information is the question?
    Beats me. There's no indication that municipalities are reporting this to the NSA.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Joko...I posted a thread apology for hitting Henrin for that comment in this thread....and I sent him a PM making another apology for bringing up the issue in really what is an inappropriate thread. He didn't respond so....??? I tried to be a gentleman about it. Oh well.

    I really did think that he support the issue. Apparently I was wrong. But again, this was not the forum to hit him with my comment.
    I honestly don't respond to PMs all that often and when I do it's because it's a continuation of a conversion I was already in. I accept your apology, but it's not really needed. In my eyes you really didn't do anything wrong by pointing out a inconsistency in views that you thought I had. In fact, I welcome people pointing out such things even if they are wrong about my views.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I honestly don't respond to PMs all that often and when I do it's because it's a continuation of a conversion I was already in. I accept your apology, but it's not really needed. In my eyes you really didn't do anything wrong by pointing out a inconsistency in views that you thought I had. In fact, I welcome people pointing out such things even if they are wrong about my views.
    I see...well my apology was as much for me as it was for you. I do try to keep my side of the street clean when possible even though I know, and don't expect other folks to do the same.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't really think that's the case here. I've seen most people on this thread at least arguing that if you have something to hide, then you shouldn't be doing it in public. It's not like the NSA and cell phones. Unless you're in a public place you have a reasonable expectation of privacy when talking on your phone. Even though it wouldn't affect me because I don't have something to hide, it still isn't justified because I could reasonably expect privacy there. On the other hand I shouldn't have an expectation of privacy when I drive around in public.
    Again, why are people arguing that it's fine for the government to spy and gather information on American citizens in public areas? Why is the exception of privacy actually important when talking about government power? I'm sorry, but I consider it a really bizarre argument.

    How is the government spying on American citizens ever justifiable?
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Again, why are people arguing that it's fine for the government to spy and gather information on American citizens in public areas? Why is the exception of privacy actually important when talking about government power? I'm sorry, but I consider it a really bizarre argument.

    How is the government spying on American citizens ever justifiable?
    If the government wants to catch lawbreakers by gathering public information I think they should be allowed to. I don't consider it a bizarre argument at all about why this is acceptable but gathering private information would not be.
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Most people seem to miss the issue; it's not what the government is doing, it's what they might do.
    They have been using the data for good (according to them), but how could we possibly know if they weren't? How can we trust them when they've lied to us so many times?
    We are afraid because this could turn on us really, REALLY quick, and set up any sort of dictatorship or similar fascist state. That might sound a little paranoid, and it is, but they're making it really easy to be paranoid.

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