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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I don't understand what the issue is here. I'm totally aware of the ramifications of cell phones, etc being surveilled and am totally against any gov't entity doing it. However, if you do something in public you have already surrendered any sort of privacy you can expect to have as a citizen. You committed whatever action we are speaking of in public after all. Whether it's the gossip next door or a traffic camera, you have been seen doing it. If one does not want to be observed driving, don't drive. Get a bike. They don't require a license plate.....yet.
    So where will I ride this bike? Could it be somewhere people decided was fine to spy on citizens? You know, like in the public.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't know, how can I expect privacy in my back yard? Seems pretty public to me. Let's go out and check...

    Yup, I'm in the middle of my yard and all sorts of people can see me. Seems pretty public.

    So where is my camera? Don't I deserve more love than cameras from space?
    If people can see you in your back yard, then that is your issue and if someone saw you committing a crime or took a pic of you back there, there would be nothing you could say about it (as long as it didn't require them going through any extra effort to take that picture (such as entering your yard or standing on something/getting help).
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If people can see you in your back yard, then that is your issue and if someone saw you committing a crime or took a pic of you back there, there would be nothing you could say about it (as long as it didn't require them going through any extra effort to take that picture (such as entering your yard or standing on something/getting help).
    The point was that my backyard is a pretty open space that in no way shape or form could be considered private. How could I expect privacy in my backyard? Of course, in IRL I don't really have any neighbors.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hey, give the government information about you. It's probably a brilliant idea that has no chance of turning out to be really stupid.
    God knows what the government could do with my route to work every day... maybe they will plan road work to always make me late?!
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by JayGatsby View Post
    God knows what the government could do with my route to work every day... maybe they will plan road work to always make me late?!
    If you honestly don't understand how information is important than stop posting.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    This is another polarizing and controversial issue. I just wonder how many of these we're going to go through before every able-minded American agrees that the police, intelligence agencies and intelligence gathering abuses upon us is not okay. I wonder if there even is a consensus point to which we'll all unite.

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Come on, Henrin...get out of here...for real?
    I hate to even slight agree with Herin, but...

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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    As long as it stops there I don't really have a problem with it. It does serve a public good and it is only recording activity done in public. No safety explanation would justify it if they were recording private activity like this though.
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but the government must warrant it's actions, not the other way around. I don't need to make an argument on they can't do something, they must tell me why they can. Saying that I can't expect privacy in a given situation is not good enough. They should not be able to log my daily affairs and keep them on record nor should they be able to watch me on the street with devices for police purposes. If they want to watch me they can get out there and put cops on the streets. I imagine a cop on every corner and not a camera though will make people like yourself start thinking to.
    Typical Libertarian. Nobody is logging whatever bars you go to, what chicks you're screwing or who it is you're nice to on the street. Nobody, other than you, cares about your life.

    Seriously, are you even listening to yourself? What? You think they just started taking pictures of your car today? They've been doing that for 20 years. You can't go to a liquor store without being filmed by 3 cameras. If you committed a crime tomorrow in some small town with 5 cameras, by Monday morning there would be 100 cops tracking down the whereabouts of your car.

    So what exactly is it you're against? Being filmed by cameras which make it easier to track you down? Easier than the models who have been taking videos of you for the past 20 years? Well, lol, alright. 10 years from now these models will be in every mom and pop convenience store because they'll be made affordable by your sacrosanct supply and demand. Then what? You'll be against mom and pop stores having their cameras hooked up to police stations?
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    Re: Driving somewhere? There's a gov't record of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Typical Libertarian. Nobody is logging whatever bars you go to, what chicks you're screwing or who it is you're nice to on the street. Nobody, other than you, cares about your life.
    Except that these cameras provide them information on who I'm with, what I'm doing, and where I'm going. There is an absolute ton of information these cameras provide the state.

    Seriously, are you even listening to yourself? What? You think they just started taking pictures of your car today? They've been doing that for 20 years. You can't go to a liquor store without being filmed by 3 cameras. If you committed a crime tomorrow in some small town with 5 cameras, by Monday morning there would be 100 cops tracking down the whereabouts of your car.
    I'm aware of all of this and the time period something has been going on doesn't mean anything to me. It's something that should have never been permitted and it's a good time as any to put a stop to it.

    So what exactly is it you're against? Being filmed by cameras which make it easier to track you down? Easier than the models who have been taking videos of you for the past 20 years? Well, lol, alright. 10 years from now these models will be in every mom and pop convenience store because they'll be made affordable by your sacrosanct supply and demand. Then what? You'll be against mom and pop stores having their cameras hooked up to police stations?
    Yes, I will be against the police getting information from mom and pop stores unless a crime was committed like always.
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