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Liz Cheney to seek Wyo. Senate seat held by Repub.....

Where do you have to be from in order to judge politicians? Is it all a local thing?

Apparently, you're only qualified to judge Wyoming politics if your "very liberal" from Georgia. Who knew?
 
If Repubs gain the Senate in 2014, Obama can veto them for 2 years, even if Repubs go nuclear--unlikely IMO. And here's why. They have 20 seats to protect out of 34, won in the "wave" year though they are strong in those states. And, a POTUSA election year could add up to trouble.

Heya Nimby :2wave: were you trying to say that the Repubs have to protect 20 seats? I think you have that backwards. Its the Demos that have 20 seats up......ooops make that 21 now with Rockefeller not running.
 
Remember, that's "Senator Barbara Boxer" - you're not allowed to use her name without the honorific preceding it. Remember, "she worked damn hard to be called Senator". She's also worked damn hard to be called a lot of other things that DP's rules don't allow me to list.

That's alright CJ.....theres nothing preventing anyone from taking their Foot and putting it dead off into a Politicians ass. Even if it is a Woman Politician. Just means they get lifted higher off the ground, tis all.

Needs to start happening more often so that the Politicians understand one thing. We aren't putting up with ANY of their BS.
 
So because you have not heard of him he has not done anything? Do you have any idea how ****ing stupid that is? And how do you, a Canadian, feel qualified to judge whether his constituents will miss him? You know, the people who voted him in by a 3 to 1 margin last election?

No, actually he said he had not heard of Enzi and On any matter. Perhaps paying attention to the English language should assist you when trying to go off on that slight tangent and your play with the wording. Do you think you can keep it on point.....for a change!
 
Christ in heaven! The only way to keep political dynasties from recurring in the US is for the public to stop supporting this bull****. Sadly, I am afraid far too many voters will vote for some name they know.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons, no more Kennedys, no more Pauls, no more Cheneys. We can do better.

Heya RT
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.....you got that Right. Not to mention with some once they lose there. Then it will be lets move to another state and run there.

She says she is a Patriot. Yet she wants to take on another Republican. To what cause is she a Patriot? She is a Mom? The daughter of a Politician who was a VP. This is what she says are her qualifications, Right.

Wonder why she can't be a Patriot and go run against a Democrat with a Direct Challenge. There are several states where the Repubs don't have any in play. Must not have enough backbone to tread in those states of Liberaldom.....huh?
 
For those who are interested, here's the National Journal's profile of Senator Enzi:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/member/161

Heya DS :2wave: and here is some more on Liz. ;)

While he's no moderate, incumbent Sen. Mike Enzi has shown he is willing to compromise occasionally with Democrats, such as when he supported a sales tax on Internet purchases.

But Cheney, the elder daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, suggests that such compromise often isn't good enough for a true conservative.

"I'm running because I'm concerned about the direction of the nation," Liz Cheney said Tuesday. "I think it's time for us to say to ourselves, 'Can we continue to go along to get along in Washington?'"

Liz Cheney described herself as a tea party sympathizer. She called the movement favoring low taxes as a "force for good in terms of getting people focused on fiscal issues."

Liz Cheney, 46, is the older of Dick Cheney's two children, both daughters. Married with five children, she was a resident of Virginia until recently. She and her husband bought a home last year in the posh northwest Wyoming community of Jackson Hole.

"Our support will be there for Mike," said the committee's chairman, Republican Sen. Jerry Moran of Kansas.

The other two members of Wyoming's congressional delegation, both Republicans, came out quickly in support of Enzi. Sen. John Barrasso and Rep. Cynthia Lummis praised Enzi for his long service and knowledge of Wyoming issues.....snip~

Liz Cheney challenge to Enzi echoes GOP divisions


Guess she got her moneys worth with that 1.9 million dollar home she had built there in Wyoming just over a year ago. Moving from Virginia and all. :roll:
 
Heya DS :2wave: and here is some more on Liz. ;)

While he's no moderate, incumbent Sen. Mike Enzi has shown he is willing to compromise occasionally with Democrats, such as when he supported a sales tax on Internet purchases.

But Cheney, the elder daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, suggests that such compromise often isn't good enough for a true conservative.

"I'm running because I'm concerned about the direction of the nation," Liz Cheney said Tuesday. "I think it's time for us to say to ourselves, 'Can we continue to go along to get along in Washington?'"

Liz Cheney described herself as a tea party sympathizer. She called the movement favoring low taxes as a "force for good in terms of getting people focused on fiscal issues."

Liz Cheney, 46, is the older of Dick Cheney's two children, both daughters. Married with five children, she was a resident of Virginia until recently. She and her husband bought a home last year in the posh northwest Wyoming community of Jackson Hole.

"Our support will be there for Mike," said the committee's chairman, Republican Sen. Jerry Moran of Kansas.

The other two members of Wyoming's congressional delegation, both Republicans, came out quickly in support of Enzi. Sen. John Barrasso and Rep. Cynthia Lummis praised Enzi for his long service and knowledge of Wyoming issues.....snip~

Liz Cheney challenge to Enzi echoes GOP divisions


Guess she got her moneys worth with that 1.9 million dollar home she had built there in Wyoming just over a year ago. Moving from Virginia and all. :roll:

Senator Enzi is clearly one of the more conservative members of the U.S. Senate based on his voting record. My early guess is that the biggest policy differences between Enzi and his challenger may lie in the foreign policy realm. Very likely, if her foreign policy positions are similar to her father's, she favors a more activist foreign policy under the banner of advancing freedom and democracy e.g., would be a leading hawk for military intervention in Syria, would place greater emphasis on the use of force relative to diplomacy, etc. She might also favor greater Defense spending than Enzi, as Enzi voted to reduce funding for the F-22.

Almost certainly, she has plunged into the race, because she does not want to wait any longer to pursue her political ambitions. Perhaps secondary is her concern that the nation is moving away from the kind of activist foreign policy she champions. Senator Enzi's hasty, informal announcement of his intent to seek re-election was not a barrier and it is unclear what understanding actually existed between the two of them regarding the race.

It will be interesting to see how this race plays out. No matter who wins next year's primary--and a Cheney victory is not a given--the Wyoming Senate seat is a safe Republican seat.
 
Senator Enzi is clearly one of the more conservative members of the U.S. Senate based on his voting record. My early guess is that the biggest policy differences between Enzi and his challenger may lie in the foreign policy realm. Very likely, if her foreign policy positions are similar to her father's, she favors a more activist foreign policy under the banner of advancing freedom and democracy e.g., would be a leading hawk for military intervention in Syria, would place greater emphasis on the use of force relative to diplomacy, etc. She might also favor greater Defense spending than Enzi, as Enzi voted to reduce funding for the F-22.

Almost certainly, she has plunged into the race, because she does not want to wait any longer to pursue her political ambitions. Perhaps secondary is her concern that the nation is moving away from the kind of activist foreign policy she champions. Senator Enzi's hasty, informal announcement of his intent to seek re-election was not a barrier and it is unclear what understanding actually existed between the two of them regarding the race.

It will be interesting to see how this race plays out. No matter who wins next year's primary--and a Cheney victory is not a given--the Wyoming Senate seat is a safe Republican seat.



Well, like the other Wyoming Politicians say. Enzi knows whats best for Wyoming People. I doubt Liz is much up on what Wyomings are about. With that whopping one year of time living there. Occasionally! :roll:
 
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I think Liz is just chewing the cow gummi, myself. She didn't really think she had a chance now, did she. :lol: I luv it.....Liz the Shiny New Pony Carpetbagger. :lamo

Rep. Lummis Predicts Sen. Mike Enzi Will Beat ‘Shiny New Pony’ Liz Cheney.....

After Liz Cheney announced Tuesday that she is mounting a primary challenge to Wyoming’s incumbent Republican next summer, the Cowboy State’s at-large representative in the U.S. House of Representatives said the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney has shown “bad form” in launching her campaign.

Rep. Cynthia Lummis, a two-term Republican lawmaker, called Cheney “the shiny new pony” in Wyoming politics, but slammed Cheney for a lack of etiquette in making her intentions known to her opponent, Sen. Mike Enzi.

Lummis called Enzi “a principled conservative” and a “uniting force” in Congress, noting that he is well-positioned to take over the chairmanship at the Senate Finance Committee if Republicans are able to seize the majority in the upper chamber.

“He and his family are just quintessential Wyoming advocates and I am in complete support for his candidacy for reelection,” she said, adding that she doubted Cheney could beat Enzi in a primary. “Sen. Enzi has a track record of Wyoming involvement and advocacy, and she does not.”

Lummis said she would have “absolutely” run for Senate had Enzi decided not to seek reelection. She implied that Cheney is a carpetbagger for seeking office in a state where she has not lived the majority of her life.

“She’s skipping everyone over,” Lummis said. “It is a very unique strategy to live your entire life elsewhere and then come to a state a year before you’re going to announce that you’re running for that state’s highest office.”.....snip~

Rep. Lummis Predicts Sen. Mike Enzi Will Beat ‘Shiny New Pony’ Liz Cheney - ABC News
 
I believe in your old days as a moderator, we'd refer to your post as baiting - you're hitting a couple of prime high notes in the baiting hall of fame - criticizing intelligence, xenophobic attacks on nationality - well done. Rather than run to mommy and report you, I'll simply respond in kind.

I criticized your premise. Stop trying to play the victim.

A liberal in Georgia naturally knows more about Wyoming politics, right? Do you know how ****ing stupid that is? Of course, being a liberal, you see nothing wrong with spending a career sucking on the teat of government and accomplishing nothing. That's the liberal career of choice. Your role model must be Barbara Boxer.

Apparently I do since I have heard of him and know some of what he has done. I did not parade my ignorance and use it, explicitly, as a reason to attack him. That was you.

As for winning by a margin of 3 to 1, that simply says that the Republican candidate in Wyoming is going to win in a landslide, even if it's Mike Enzi. If Liz Cheney gets the nomination and wins by a 3 to 1 margin in 2014 or a greater margin, according to you that would mean she should hold the seat for life, right?

And you still miss the point. If the people he represents where unsatisfied with the job he has done, they have other options. Until such time as they do, the indication is, despite your claim, he might be missed by those he works for. Making up **** I did not say won't change that.

I am no fan of the guy, but at least I base my opposition on knowing what he does and stands for, instead of bragging about my ignorance on the topic I am giving my opinion on. If you do not know what he has done, maybe you should actually learn before spouting nonsense.
 
I criticized your premise. Stop trying to play the victim.



Apparently I do since I have heard of him and know some of what he has done. I did not parade my ignorance and use it, explicitly, as a reason to attack him. That was you.



And you still miss the point. If the people he represents where unsatisfied with the job he has done, they have other options. Until such time as they do, the indication is, despite your claim, he might be missed by those he works for. Making up **** I did not say won't change that.

I am no fan of the guy, but at least I base my opposition on knowing what he does and stands for, instead of bragging about my ignorance on the topic I am giving my opinion on. If you do not know what he has done, maybe you should actually learn before spouting nonsense.

Pardon me, oh holy one - I forgot that as a liberal, you're the only one who's entitled to express an opinion. And try not to deflect, you ignorantly claimed that as a Canadian I basically had no legitimate right to express an opinion - that's liberal elitist xenophobic bull**** and you won't get a pass from me for it.

I didn't miss your point at all - you didn't have one - just nonsense eminating from your superiority complex. And don't try the line that a liberal from Georgia knows all about a virtually invisible conservative Senator from Wyoming - I'm not buying that **** either. What did you do, a quick google and found out he chaired some minor committee and so suddenly the guy's a Senate star and in your book he's entitled to a Senate seat for life?

Your opinion has no more value in the discussion than mine does, period.

You're pretty good at dishing out the **** on a regular basis but you hate to be called on it.
 
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One would think that, but hey, my state has had Barbara Boxer as a senator for 20 years.
I'm beginning to think a Senator's job is mostly ceremonial with a dash of pork.

That's Canada, you have your nations mixed up. IN the US the Senate actually has a ton of power, in Canada, not so much. :)


Tim-
 
Pardon me, oh holy one - I forgot that as a liberal, you're the only one who's entitled to express an opinion. And try not to deflect, you ignorantly claimed that as a Canadian I basically had no legitimate right to express an opinion - that's liberal elitist xenophobic bull**** and you won't get a pass from me for it.

I didn't miss your point at all - you didn't have one - just nonsense eminating from your superiority complex. And don't try the line that a liberal from Georgia knows all about a virtually invisible conservative Senator from Wyoming - I'm not buying that **** either. What did you do, a quick google and found out he chaired some minor committee and so suddenly the guy's a Senate star and in your book he's entitled to a Senate seat for life?

Your opinion has no more value in the discussion than mine does, period.

You're pretty good at dishing out the **** on a regular basis but you hate to be called on it.

He's not even good at "dishing" it out, so logic says that taking it would be in order of magnitude more difficult. :)


Tim-
 
That's Canada, you have your nations mixed up. IN the US the Senate actually has a ton of power, in Canada, not so much. :)


Tim-

Actually, even though it is unelected, the Senate in Canada does have a lot of power. Its approval is required to pass legislation adopted by the House of Commons and it can veto or delay dealing with all legislation with the exception of constitutional amendments. In addition, it cannot initiate tax or appropriations bills.

In practice, because the Senate is not elected, it seldom gets in the way of legislation passed by the Government in the House of Commons, particularly if there is a majority government in the House. There are occasions where the Senate has stopped legislation. Recently, in the past month or so, it amended a popular piece of legislation related to union disclosures and the amendments are very unpopular, except with unions.

There is always a lot of talk in Canada about abolishing the Senate or making it fully elected and accountable to the public, but that would require a major constitutional amendment and there isn't support for it across the country.

As an aside, you'll note that in providing this information, unlike Redress, I didn't call you stupid or claim you had no right to utter an opinion on Canadian politics or government. I respect that you have an opinion and you have an interest in my country and its government and I don't insult or dismiss you when you're not totally accurate.
 
Pardon me, oh holy one - I forgot that as a liberal, you're the only one who's entitled to express an opinion. And try not to deflect, you ignorantly claimed that as a Canadian I basically had no legitimate right to express an opinion - that's liberal elitist xenophobic bull**** and you won't get a pass from me for it.

I didn't miss your point at all - you didn't have one - just nonsense eminating from your superiority complex. And don't try the line that a liberal from Georgia knows all about a virtually invisible conservative Senator from Wyoming - I'm not buying that **** either. What did you do, a quick google and found out he chaired some minor committee and so suddenly the guy's a Senate star and in your book he's entitled to a Senate seat for life?

Your opinion has no more value in the discussion than mine does, period.

You're pretty good at dishing out the **** on a regular basis but you hate to be called on it.

And again you are making **** up. I never claimed you where not entitled to express your opinion, but I also have a right to point out of the flaws in your opinion, that you based it on your own ignorance. You even admitted it.

Further, I never claimed to know all about him, nor did I claim he was entitled to anything. Once again, you just made that **** up. Kinda a pattern, make **** up and play the victim. In fact, I never claimed he was a star. So you have anything other than straw men?

I do think my opinion is worth more than yours in this case, since it is based on information, not ignorance. Maybe instead of saying you did not know what he had done, you should have found out. Opinions based on information gathered are inherently worth more than those based on a lack of information. Most people do not take pride in their ignorance, and for good reason.
 
ok what did Enzi do to potentially upset conservatives and make them go through a bloody primary.

i thought Dick cheney and Senator Enzi were political allies and friends?

Friends with Dick Cheney? LOL Not when there is power up for grabs. When is Liz going to move there anyway. She has been a Virginia resident forever. Even Rand Paul is perplexed.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) ridiculed Liz Cheney's Senate campaign announcement by calling into question her Wyoming residency, Politico reported Tuesday.

"When I heard Liz Cheney was running for Senate I wondered if she was running in her home state of Virginia,” Paul said, as quoted by Politico.

Paul told Politico last week that he believes Cheney's competition, incumbent Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), is a "solid conservative."

Rand Paul Questions Liz Cheney's Wyoming Residency | TPM LiveWire
 
I believe in your old days as a moderator, we'd refer to your post as baiting - you're hitting a couple of prime high notes in the baiting hall of fame - criticizing intelligence, xenophobic attacks on nationality - well done. Rather than run to mommy and report you, I'll simply respond in kind.

A liberal in Georgia naturally knows more about Wyoming politics, right? Do you know how ****ing stupid that is? Of course, being a liberal, you see nothing wrong with spending a career sucking on the teat of government and accomplishing nothing. That's the liberal career of choice. Your role model must be Barbara Boxer.

As for winning by a margin of 3 to 1, that simply says that the Republican candidate in Wyoming is going to win in a landslide, even if it's Mike Enzi. If Liz Cheney gets the nomination and wins by a 3 to 1 margin in 2014 or a greater margin, according to you that would mean she should hold the seat for life, right?

LOL Liz knows nothing about Wyoming politics either, she's a Virginia resident.
 
And again you are making **** up. I never claimed you where not entitled to express your opinion, but I also have a right to point out of the flaws in your opinion, that you based it on your own ignorance. You even admitted it.

Further, I never claimed to know all about him, nor did I claim he was entitled to anything. Once again, you just made that **** up. Kinda a pattern, make **** up and play the victim. In fact, I never claimed he was a star. So you have anything other than straw men?

I do think my opinion is worth more than yours in this case, since it is based on information, not ignorance. Maybe instead of saying you did not know what he had done, you should have found out. Opinions based on information gathered are inherently worth more than those based on a lack of information. Most people do not take pride in their ignorance, and for good reason.

I'm not making anything up, and you're incredibly transparent - arrogance has a way of showing its ugly head even when you try to hide it.

Of course you think your opinion is worth more than mine, that's what arrogance is all about - a particular trait necessary when applying for your liberal membership card. Unlike you, I think everyone's opinion is worthy, even ones I disagree with. I don't make a habit of insulting people or their opinions when I disagree with them but I will give back what I get.

Perhaps being a former moderator went to your head, all that sitting in judgement.
 
LOL Liz knows nothing about Wyoming politics either, she's a Virginia resident.

You seem to have forgotten how Hillary got her senate seat. But hey I understand your fear, Obama wasn't but a partial term first time senator before he started running for POTUS. Perhaps Hillary will have some unexpected competition come 2016 now that in the modern era, experience really isn't necessary to gain election.
 
LOL Liz knows nothing about Wyoming politics either, she's a Virginia resident.

Perhaps like that lioness of the Democrat Party, Hillary Clinton, who carpet-bagged her way into a New York Senate seat. At least Liz Cheney has a family history in Wyoming.
 
I'm not making anything up, and you're incredibly transparent - arrogance has a way of showing its ugly head even when you try to hide it.

Of course you think your opinion is worth more than mine, that's what arrogance is all about - a particular trait necessary when applying for your liberal membership card. Unlike you, I think everyone's opinion is worthy, even ones I disagree with. I don't make a habit of insulting people or their opinions when I disagree with them but I will give back what I get.

Perhaps being a former moderator went to your head, all that sitting in judgement.

Or maybe you should not have admitted to not knowing what you where talking about. Do you always play the victim? Why are you so unable to handle your words being challenged? This is a debate board, you might want to get used to it.
 
Perhaps like that lioness of the Democrat Party, Hillary Clinton, who carpet-bagged her way into a New York Senate seat. At least Liz Cheney has a family history in Wyoming.

LOL, Her Dad changed his address to Wyoming from Texas 2 days before he nominated himself for vice President. He didn't want both candidates on the ticket to be from Texas, that's the "history".
 
Or maybe you should not have admitted to not knowing what you where talking about. Do you always play the victim? Why are you so unable to handle your words being challenged? This is a debate board, you might want to get used to it.

Not playing the victim, and not afraid to have my opinions challenged. As if I could be harmed or be afraid of the likes of you.

Not accepting, without response, your clear baiting however.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, related to Enzi, and particularly as it relates to you and your MO.
 
LOL, Her Dad changed his address to Wyoming from Texas 2 days before he nominated himself for vice President. He didn't want both candidates on the ticket to be from Texas, that's the "history".

Watch out - Redress will claim you aren't entitled to an opinion because you don't know what you're talking about.

Dick Cheney was raised in Wyoming, went to University in Wyoming, served as an intern for a congressman from Wyoming, served five terms in the US House of Representatives from Wyoming.

I didn't realize that people in the US were required never to leave a state to seek other opportunities.
 
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