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    Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    From the LA Times:

    Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr., speaking about the George Zimmerman acquittal at the NAACP annual convention in Orlando, Fla., urged that laws like Florida’s “stand your ground” statute allowing people to use licensed firearms when they feel threatened should be invoked only after the person first tries to retreat from a dangerous situation.

    “It’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods,” Holder said. “These laws try to fix something that was never broken.”

    [More at the source: Atty. Gen. Eric Holder slams 'stand your ground' laws - latimes.com]
    It has begun.

    What do you think?

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I think Holder like all crazy libs is a gun hating moron, except the gun his security detail carries of course.


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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I think this thread is gonna be moved.


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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
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    It has begun.

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    requiring one to have the duty to retreat is horribly unjust...and I see no logic in constraining or punishing the victim of violent crime.

    Holder should be concerned with folks perpetuating violence rather than being concerned with those defending themselves from the violence.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the LA Times:



    It has begun.

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    From the article

    He said, “We must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely.” Otherwise, he said, “by allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. The list of resulting tragedies is long and, unfortunately, has victimized too many who are innocent.
    Is he out of his mind?

    what he is saying is tuck tail and run, take it in the rear, runaway and allow those who bring violence to your doorstep to know that they can push the envelop to the extreme because your first reaction is going to be FLIGHT not FIGHT. He's saying allow the predators to stay predators and for you to always be the prey...

    I'll have none of it.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I'll believe Holder in being sincere in his position when he calls on law enforcement to have a duty to retreat from violent criminals...

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Holder should be concerned with folks perpetuating violence rather than being concerned with those defending themselves from the violence.
    Well, his claim seems to be that many of those who claim to be defending themselves from violence are actually perpetuating violence. So, to him, he is concerned with those people.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'll believe Holder in being sincere in his position when he calls on law enforcement to have a duty to retreat from violent criminals...
    The premise of his position is that regular citizens (i.e. not law enforcement) have too much authority to use violence so this test of sincerity doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I'm thinking the time will come where people will stand their ground and defend themselves against people like Holder who would degrade all of us to victim status. I place no faith in those who push for disarming the honest while they themselves are guarded by armed mercenaries. Diane Fienstien stood on the Senate floor with an "assault rifle", with the muzzle pointed in an arbitrary direction and her finger on the trigger and a carry permit in her pocket. These people are among the last I would trust to ensure my safety. Eric Holder headed an operation that trafficked arms across the border with no accountability, Obama used drones without Congressional consent. Hell, even Cheney managed to shoot his friend. Governor Perry has randomly fired his pistol in to the air at public gatherings. If I am looking for someone to make policy on public safety, I expect their actions to speak for them first.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla
    I'll believe Holder in being sincere in his position when he calls on law enforcement to have a duty to retreat from violent criminals...
    That's a great point. Here in Georgia (and in other states I'm sure) police are not allowed to engage in high speed pursuits. Police "snipers" will rarely engage at distances over 100 yards. I agree with both of these premises. The risk to innocents is too great. I've shot with enough law enforcement officers to know they are no better, and by and large not up to par, with many of us mere civilians.

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