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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So who do determines when the situation has no option to retreat?
    Obviously Al not so Sharpton does.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sure and Holder believes that Stand Your Ground facilitates false claims of self-defense. He wants to prevent people from shooting innocent people and then falsely claiming self-defense. He doesn't want to wait until after people are already dead.
    really?.. he believes that?..seriously?
    "I'm tired of false self defense claims..we should make defending yourself even harder .. maybe we should make require the peons to run away..and charge them with a crime if they don't"

    I wonder what caused folks to falsely claim self defense before SYG laws came into existence?.. probably those pesky self defense laws. .. they should probably be stricken from the books too

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why must he jump through another hoop because the "mob" doesn't like the not guilty verdict? Do you think there is a civil rights issue here?
    You're going off topic. Again, how does this stop self-defense laws from applying? If Zimmerman is tried for another crime, then he can still apply self-defense laws.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So who do determines when the situation has no option to retreat? An investigator? An politicized State's attorney? Some elected official?
    The jury.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You're going off topic. Again, how does this stop self-defense laws from applying? If Zimmerman is tried for another crime, then he can still apply self-defense laws.
    Do you see a civil rights issue here?
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    really?.. he believes that?..seriously?
    "I'm tired of false self defense claims..we should make defending yourself even harder .. maybe we should make require the peons to run away..and charge them with a crime if they don't"
    That's not what he said so I see no reason to respond to this.

    I wonder what caused folks to falsely claim self defense before SYG laws came into existence?.. probably those pesky self defense laws. .. they should probably be stricken from the books too
    Well, as I said, his argument is that SYG INCREASES the number of people who unlawfully shoot people and falsely claim self-defense. He wants to get rid of that increase.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't have a problem with "duty to retreat" as long as those laws respect situations when no option to retreat is available.
    well, I do have a problem with requiring people to run away as a first course of action... hell, i'd have a problem with a duty to shoot someone too....you can't decree, from on high, that folks have a duty to act in one acceptable manner in a very fluid and stress filled situation , or be punished for not doing so.. it's incredibly wrong.


    but i don't have a problem with keeping the option to run away legal... folks can run away if they want, just don't require everyone to.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you see a civil rights issue here?
    I don't move onto other topics until I resolve the original debate. You can answer my question and resolve our original debate. After that, we can move onto your civil rights question.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That's not what he said so I see no reason to respond to this.


    Well, as I said, his argument is that SYG INCREASES the number of people who unlawfully shoot people and falsely claim self-defense. He wants to get rid of that increase.
    ahh, then what he really wants is better investigating by LEO...

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, I do have a problem with requiring people to run away as a first course of action... hell, i'd have a problem with a duty to shoot someone too....you can't decree, from on high, that folks have a duty to act in one acceptable manner in a very fluid and stress filled situation , or be punished for not doing so.. it's incredibly wrong.

    but i don't have a problem with keeping the option to run away legal... folks can run away if they want, just don't require everyone to.
    Well, I think there should be a balance between self-defense and excessive use of force. SYG tips the balance to the latter. I can't support that.

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