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Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

Okay, well he's not in prison now. And given that he is the Attorney General, you should probably care about what he has to say since his actions might affect you. But, if you don't care, then that's better for him because that's one less person he has to deal with in his quest to reexamine SYG.

If you read what I wrote, you'd see I said I didn't care what he had to SAY. Actions are a different matter, but that wasn't being discussed.
 
I do agree with the sentiment on a law that allows me to provoke an altercation and even to throw the first punch, and then to shoot someone because I fear for my life after the victim defends themself. Even if you do not agree zimmerman did that, it is still something that can happen under the law which IMO is way too open.

I really do not take this as amounting to much more than a political point being made to a bunch of people who were outraged. We know they are not going to get much done at all if they couldn't even get background checks on all gun purchases to keep felons and crazies from buying guns. It is up to the state legislatures and that means florida voters. I am not terribly outraged by something any politician is going to do when speaking before a group with political ideals. I will save any outrage or approval for when some action is taken and not a bunch of hot air.
True. While I support Holder's argument, I won't put much stock in his claims until I see actual actions being taken.
 
No,not "Oh well". It's time we started pointing these things out to those who would assume authority they do not have. I'll be sure to bring it up with our representative when I see in about two weeks.
Okay.
 
If you read what I wrote, you'd see I said I didn't care what he had to SAY. Actions are a different matter, but that wasn't being discussed.
Fair enough.
 
Well, I think there should be a balance between self-defense and excessive use of force. SYG tips the balance to the latter. I can't support that.


I can support it... but then again, i'm not one for the nonsense of proportional use of force either.. if I'm justifiably defending myself, there's no amount of force that I would consider "excessive".

there is no balancing act, to me, between self defense and excessive use if force.... the balancing act, to me, is more about the assailant and victim, and I'm utterly unsympathetic to perpetrators, so i don't care if they have any legs to stand on...I'm definitely supportive of tilting the scales towards the victims.
I'm also utterly supportive of proper LEO investigation to ensure the victim is really a victim and not an assailant... i'm not unreasonbable
 
From the LA Times:




It has begun.

What do you think?


LOL !!!

What has begun ? The Criminal AG responds to people who've completley bought into a huge manufactured False Narrative ?

Wow.....when Black young men and ACTUAL Children are dying from gunshot wounds on a almost daily basis in the South Side of Chicago.

What a pathetically corrupt and just stupid ideology.

Take the rights away from private citizens to defend theirselves, their property and their families from the scum the thug culture creates because the NAACP aren't happy with the verdict.

Unreal.

The only good thing is a administration this corrupt will eventually collapse in on itself as voters take note of the disaster thats happening right before them.
 
I think that laws restricting one from exercising reasonable self defense are asinine. Every situation is different and sometimes retreating is the absolute LAST thing you should do. Just to give a hypothetical - you're in a bar and a group of four people are giving you a hard time. Three of those people head out the front door but the third keeps on verbally harassing and threatening you. Is it really a good idea to leave the bar?

Here's another one. Someone is on top of you MMA style beating your head into the concrete. Do you have the option to retreat before being able to use deadly force, i. e. Stand Your Ground?
 
LOL !!!

What has begun ? The Criminal AG responds to people who've completley bought into a huge manufactured False Narrative ?

Wow.....when Black young men and ACTUAL Children are dying from gunshot wounds on a almost daily basis in the South Side of Chicago.

What a pathetically corrupt and just stupid ideology.

Take the rights away from private citizens to defend theirselves, their property and their families from the scum the thug culture creates because the NAACP aren't happy with the verdict.

Unreal.

The only good thing is a administration this corrupt will eventually collapse in on itself as voters take note of the disaster thats happening right before them.

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

What would be lovely would be Al Sharpton turning his focus to Chicago.
 
I don't know about that, but I do know that Eric Holder's contempt of Congress and everything else makes him unfit to serve as AG.
 
The fact that SYG laws didnt come into play in the trial or the jury verdict speaks volumes. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
 
From the article



Is he out of his mind?

what he is saying is tuck tail and run, take it in the rear, runaway and allow those who bring violence to your doorstep to know that they can push the envelop to the extreme because your first reaction is going to be FLIGHT not FIGHT. He's saying allow the predators to stay predators and for you to always be the prey...

I'll have none of it.

The below quote is from the juror interviewed on Anderson Cooper
"He could have ... When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home.

So George in a locked car and armed with the police on the way ... could not take pause and follow instructions from law enforcement yet ... the juror says Trayvon should have "When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

In bold are her exact words.

Do you think unarmed teens being followed have different fear reactions than a husky big guy who knows the police are en-route with a car and armed? We do not even know any account but George's fishy tale.
 
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The below quote is from the juror interviewed on anderson cooper


So George in a locked car and armed with the police on the way ... could not take pause and follow instructions from law enforcement yet ... the juror says Trayvon should have "When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

In bold are her exact words.

Do you think unarmed teens being followed have different fear reactions than a husky big guy who knows the police are en-route with a car and armed? We do not even know any account but George's fishy tale.

No, there is a forensic account. And what we also know is that the jury delivered its verdict.
 
Deflection ... do you agree with the juror that Trayvon should have ..."When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home".

The forensics do not add up. The verdict was not based on forensics according to the juror but because they thought George was scared.
 
I'm not deflecting; I'm stating facts. Your opinion doesn't count, nor does mine, and we now have the words of one of six jurors. That's all. I am satisfied that the jury did a thoughtful job and am therefore accept the verdict. You should too--because the verdict is in.
 
Deflection ... do you agree with the juror that Trayvon should have ..."When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home".

The forensics do not add up. The verdict was not based on forensics according to the juror but because they thought George was scared.

Martin is dead because he made the mistake of attacking an armed man.:peace
 
I'm not deflecting; I'm stating facts. Your opinion doesn't count, nor does mine, and we now have the words of one of six jurors. That's all. I am satisfied that the jury did a thoughtful job and am therefore accept the verdict. You should too--because the verdict is in.

The post was in response to the poster Chez believing a person should not have to run yet the juror states clearly

"When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

The jurors are based the verdict on their belief that George was scared ... it was an injustice and you know it. This is a political forum and we are discussing if a person should just run when confronted like the juror said of Trayvon.
 
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Martin is dead because he made the mistake of attacking an armed man.:peace


Martin is dead because he walked home in the rain in a hoodie and an armed man in a locked car with the police on their way continued pursuit while whining "they always get away".

There is no account of the last few moments and yet ... the juror states clearly "When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

I heard the tapes and Trayvon was walking and George even describes the pursuit. Eventually when George was close enough Trayvon turned and stood his ground.
 
I'm not deflecting; I'm stating facts. Your opinion doesn't count, nor does mine, and we now have the words of one of six jurors. That's all. I am satisfied that the jury did a thoughtful job and am therefore accept the verdict. You should too--because the verdict is in.

Hispanic is the new White.
 
Shouldn't the title of this thread be "Holder Speaks out Against States Rights?"
 
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