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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Which has no effect on the fact that regular self-defense laws would still apply.

    Except that he also said "all options remain on the table" concerning Zimmerman...So, I guess in Holder's mind it is fine to have the laws, and to let the court do the trial, as long as they rule "the right way"? There was NO civil rights issue in this case.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

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    Very well. Home after spending a week at the beach with six grandchildren. Going to work to rest up. You?
    Doing great thanks, except I hate the weather and the dog's been sick, but otherwise well thanks.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The premise of his position is that regular citizens (i.e. not law enforcement) have too much authority to use violence so this test of sincerity doesn't make sense.
    Citizens have too much authority to defend themselves? Typical leftist bull**** that says it's better and more fair if we all just roll over.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Holder hates Hispanics. Just look at Fast and Furious. Killed lots of Mexicans.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you would have the right to defend yourself, after you have tried to run away, as required by law.
    SYG laws rectifies the horrible policies of requiring retreat.. that's their primary reason for existing

    Texas has never had a duty to retreat, but we do have SYG type laws on the books..... hell, even California doesn't have a duty to retreat.
    I think it if wasn't for the buffoon who invented "duty to retreat", we wouldn't even need SYG laws
    I don't have a problem with "duty to retreat" as long as those laws respect situations when no option to retreat is available.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Except that he also said "all options remain on the table" concerning Zimmerman...So, I guess in Holder's mind it is fine to have the laws, and to let the court do the trial, as long as they rule "the right way"? There was NO civil rights issue in this case.
    How does this stop self-defense laws from applying? If Zimmerman is tried for another crime, then he can still apply self-defense laws.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    How does this stop self-defense laws from applying? If Zimmerman is tried for another crime, then he can still apply self-defense laws.
    Why must he jump through another hoop because the "mob" doesn't like the not guilty verdict? Do you think there is a civil rights issue here?
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't have a problem with "duty to retreat" as long as those laws respect situations when no option to retreat is available.
    So who do determines when the situation has no option to retreat? An investigator? An politicized State's attorney? Some elected official?

    You're allowing yourself to potentially be abused by a subjective measure.

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