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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Holder does know this. He's arguing that Stand Your Ground allows assailants to claim victimhood and self-defense when neither applies to them.


    as i'm sure any LEO would attest to, Self defense is probably claimed by many folks..... who are now in prison after it comes out they were not , in fact, defending themselves.
    LEO still investigates these killings to determine claims such as self defense... SYG laws don't negate those investigations.

    SYG laws don't effect such things... self defense laws are still in place.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I think that laws restricting one from exercising reasonable self defense are asinine. Every situation is different and sometimes retreating is the absolute LAST thing you should do. Just to give a hypothetical - you're in a bar and a group of four people are giving you a hard time. Three of those people head out the front door but the third keeps on verbally harassing and threatening you. Is it really a good idea to leave the bar?

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as i'm sure any LEO would attest to, Self defense is probably claimed by many folks..... who are now in prison after it comes out they were not , in fact, defending themselves.
    LEO still investigates these killings to determine claims such as self defense... SYG laws don't negate those investigations.

    SYG laws don't effect such things... self defense laws are still in place.
    Sure and Holder believes that Stand Your Ground facilitates false claims of self-defense. He wants to prevent people from shooting innocent people and then falsely claiming self-defense. He doesn't want to wait until after people are already dead.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I think that laws restricting one from exercising reasonable self defense are asinine.
    It seems that Holder agrees. He just doesn't think that Stand Your Ground is reasonable.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We see how the self defense laws are going so well that a jury acquits, and what happens? The original instigators of the race baiting, whom said that they wanted him arrested, and charged, all of the sudden don't like the verdict, so the pressure is on for Holder to trump something up, and get him...It is sick.
    Which has no effect on the fact that regular self-defense laws would still apply.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    What's the opposite of "stand your ground"? "Cower and Slink Away"?

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    requiring one to have the duty to retreat is horribly unjust...and I see no logic in constraining or punishing the victim of violent crime.

    Holder should be concerned with folks perpetuating violence rather than being concerned with those defending themselves from the violence.
    I agree - in Holder's world, criminals would have the upper hand since citizens would be legally bound not to confront or get in the way of any criminal commiting a crime if that citizen could possibly back away and not get involved.

    It also seems contrary to other laws on the books that make it a crime not to assist someone. Sounds like Holder wants to get innocents charged coming or going.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Well, he is not arguing that the self-defense laws, in general, should be taken away. He is arguing that Stand Your Ground laws ought to be reexamined and perhaps done away with. Therefore, it would be inaccurate to characterize his arguments as taking the self-defense option away from people. You would still have the option to defend yourself if it was necessary.
    you would have the right to defend yourself, after you have tried to run away, as required by law.
    SYG laws rectifies the horrible policies of requiring retreat.. that's their primary reason for existing

    Texas has never had a duty to retreat, but we do have SYG type laws on the books..... hell, even California doesn't have a duty to retreat.
    I think it if wasn't for the buffoon who invented "duty to retreat", we wouldn't even need SYG laws

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think this thread is gonna be moved.
    This thread has no duty to retreat.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree - in Holder's world, criminals would have the upper hand since citizens would be legally bound not to confront or get in the way of any criminal commiting a crime if that citizen could possibly back away and not get involved.

    It also seems contrary to other laws on the books that make it a crime not to assist someone. Sounds like Holder wants to get innocents charged coming or going.
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