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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    , your cherry picking. Like I said, I live here, I have seen a plenty of trials, so its not going to work on me. If Martin was trying to strangle Zimmerman, it might have been different, but all Zimmerman had to show was a bloody nose and few scratches, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he just got scared when he started to lose. I would appreciate it if you gave me the link to the page you got KRS 503.060 on, so I may disprove you without searching online forever. To save some time, I just typed in "Self-Defense" into a legal dictionary, here is an excerpt that might interest you: "Generally a person may use REASONABLE FORCE when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force. Martin's fists may have hurt, but they weren't deadly.
    interesting opinion....

    see if you can answer this hypothetical..
    if i start beating on you, how can you tell if my fists merely hurt, or if they are deadly?
    how can you tell that my bashing your head into the concrete is merely hurtful, and not deadly?

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    No matter the race of the people involved, I find it unsettling that Florida law allows for a man to Stalk a teenage boy in his car and then on foot, call the police, ignore the responder telling him to stop following him, get into a confrontation with the teenager, and shoot the kid if at any point in the altercation he feels like his life is in danger. The jury's decision was pretty much the only option they had given Florida Law, and I hope I am not alone in thinking that it is a bit concerning.
    Wow, you could just come out and say the only info you received about the case came from MSNBC. So off base it's staggering.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    With SYG, Zimmerman could shoot him even if Zimmerman started the fight.
    Again with the info from MSNBC? Good lord, do you WANT to look as foolish as you do?
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    interesting opinion....

    see if you can answer this hypothetical..
    if i start beating on you, how can you tell if my fists merely hurt, or if they are deadly?
    how can you tell that my bashing your head into the concrete is merely hurtful, and not deadly?
    First of all, that would be very rude of you. I've seen the pictures of Zimmerman's "Injuries" and I can tell you, I was more beat up after a schoolyard brawl in elementary school. He got scared and shot him, Its pretty obvious to me. Then there's the fact we cant conclusively prove Martin is the one that made those "injuries" but, nevertheless, I've never known a mere fistfight to be fatal. If you hit me, it would hurt, and not much else. And unless you bashed my head over and over again very, very, hard, all I would have is a nice headache.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    , your cherry picking. Like I said, I live here, I have seen a plenty of trials, so its not going to work on me. If Martin was trying to strangle Zimmerman, it might have been different, but all Zimmerman had to show was a bloody nose and few scratches, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he just got scared when he started to lose. I would appreciate it if you gave me the link to the page you got KRS 503.060 on, so I may disprove you without searching online forever. To save some time, I just typed in "Self-Defense" into a legal dictionary, here is an excerpt that might interest you: "Generally a person may use REASONABLE FORCE when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force. Martin's fists may have hurt, but they weren't deadly.
    There is a "reasonable man" consideration, Democrat152. A reasonable man would no doubt think his life was in jeopardy if he'd had his nose probably/possibly broken, had a man straddling him and boinking his head against a 1,000# slab of concrete, and started wrestling for his gun. That's the story Zimmerman told. And the state could not disprove it.

    As to cherry-picking, it's your law. It's in your best interest to understand it -- in case somebody has pinned YOU down on the ground and is beating YOUR head against a sidewalk. Learn to use Google; it's your friend. Here's the link: http://legallyarmed.com/resources/kylaws23.pdf It's on Page 22. (All you have to do is Google part of what I posted, and it will come up. For future reference.)
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Again with the info from MSNBC? Good lord, do you WANT to look as foolish as you do?
    I don't watch MSNBC...I watch CNN. You know, since its not beholden to one party.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    , your cherry picking. Like I said, I live here, I have seen a plenty of trials, so its not going to work on me. If Martin was trying to strangle Zimmerman, it might have been different, but all Zimmerman had to show was a bloody nose and few scratches, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out he just got scared when he started to lose. I would appreciate it if you gave me the link to the page you got KRS 503.060 on, so I may disprove you without searching online forever. To save some time, I just typed in "Self-Defense" into a legal dictionary, here is an excerpt that might interest you: "Generally a person may use REASONABLE FORCE when it appears reasonably necessary to prevent an impending injury. A person using force in self-defense should use only so much force as is required to repel the attack. Nondeadly force can be used to repel either a nondeadly attack or a deadly attack. Deadly Force may be used to fend off an attacker who is using deadly force but may not be used to repel an attacker who is not using deadly force. Martin's fists may have hurt, but they weren't deadly.
    I'm 100% sure had you been in Zimmerman shoes your first thought while someone was on top of you pounding you in the face and slamming your head against a concrete sidewalk would have been "this is only going to hurt it's not deadly". LOL. Fact is people trip, hit their head on hard objects such as sidewalks and die, much less when somebody else is pounding their head against one. Years ago I knew a man that was being held down on a asphalt parking lot and got punched in the face while his head was against the parking lot. He ended up with a crushed check bone, broken jaw and I don't remember all what else. He was very lucky he lived and he had about a six month or so recovery. I see no need or use in allowing somebody to kill you or damn near kill you, especially when they started the fight to begin because you are not 100% sure they are not going to kill you. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd bet Martin would have done what Zimmerman did.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    I don't watch MSNBC...I watch CNN. You know, since its not beholden to one party.
    Yeah sure, on both statements.

    Neither is likely true, and we are still left with you having a very uninformed opinion.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I'm 100% sure had you been in Zimmerman shoes your first thought while someone was on top of you pounding you in the face and slamming your head against a concrete sidewalk would have been "this is only going to hurt it's not deadly". LOL. Fact is people trip, hit their head on hard objects such as sidewalks and die, much less when somebody else is pounding their head against one. Years ago I knew a man that was being held down on a asphalt parking lot and got punched in the face while his head was against the parking lot. He ended up with a crushed check bone, broken jaw and I don't remember all what else. He was very lucky he lived and he had about a six month or so recovery. I see no need or use in allowing somebody to kill you or damn near kill you, especially when they started the fight to begin because you are not 100% sure they are not going to kill you. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd bet Martin would have done what Zimmerman did.
    First of all, your acting as if Zimmerman is an infant. He was a grown man, and could have fought back. And like I said before, I have seen worse "injuries" in schoolyard fights. Then there's the fact Zimmerman had legs (it keeps being overlooked), and could have kicked him off. That, and according to Zimmerman's story, after he shot Martin he said "All right, you got me" and got off of him. Apparently Zimmerman didn't know he had shot him in the heart when he recounted his version of events......

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yeah sure, on both statements.

    Neither is likely true, and we are still left with you having a very uninformed opinion.
    Says the guy whose only argument is speculation on what I watch for news.

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