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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not really. The federal government has a habit of getting involved in "state" matters. Moreover, as a significant member of the Obama admin, his influence carries more weight than most.
    If he had any, his shame should anyway.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

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    And he's still the Attorney General, LOL.
    And you're the only person in this thread that admires him.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    It appears now the feds have instructed Florida to not return Z's gun to him, they want all evidence held.

    Does that mean they are indeed planning to waste our tax dollars on their 'fuel the race wars' nonsense?
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the LA Times:



    It has begun.

    What do you think?
    Holder is an idiot, Chicago is tearing itself apart with violence because citizens are helpless to defend themselves.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    None of this would even have been covered if it wasn't likely to split the American people over a politically charged issue. **** like this happens every day in Chicago. Where's the news coverage?

    ...That's right, because black people killing black people isn't likely to cause political outcry. Kill anyone else though, and there's sudden outrage.

    On the media splitting up the American people, remember the Dorner case? A guy killed a couple of cops and was hiding out in a house, which the police promptly set on fire and burned to the ground, killing him in the process.

    But you can't cover that beyond a quick five-minute blurb because it would unite Americans against the police and by extension the government. What about all those other police brutality cases with far more horrific results? Can't cover those because they'd have the same effect...

    So you cover some random not-black guy getting beat up by some random black guy and then shooting him. Then you add emotionally weighted "news" reports and just make some **** up and boom. Another hot-button issue that has absolutely nothing to do with the actually important things going on in the world, forcibly diverting attention from the goings-on of the international community, etc. This is racially charged, but not the way people think it is and far more.... problematic overall.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    No matter the race of the people involved, I find it unsettling that Florida law allows for a man to Stalk a teenage boy in his car and then on foot, call the police, ignore the responder telling him to stop following him, get into a confrontation with the teenager, and shoot the kid if at any point in the altercation he feels like his life is in danger. The jury's decision was pretty much the only option they had given Florida Law, and I hope I am not alone in thinking that it is a bit concerning.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    No matter the race of the people involved, I find it unsettling that Florida law allows for a man to Stalk a teenage boy in his car and then on foot, call the police, ignore the responder telling him to stop following him, get into a confrontation with the teenager, and shoot the kid if at any point in the altercation he feels like his life is in danger. The jury's decision was pretty much the only option they had given Florida Law, and I hope I am not alone in thinking that it is a bit concerning.
    even without SYG laws, he was justified in shooting TM.... and I'm not concerned at all that the law allows for one to defend himself from harm or death...I'd be very concerned if it didn't.

    all the events leading up to the confrontation were legal and just... and that goes for both fellows.

    where **** went downhill is when one fellow made the choice to initiate violence without justifiable provocation.

    a simple conversation would have cleared up the concerns of both individuals...but the initiation of violence precluded that from happening , and we are where we are as a result of that choice.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Democrat152 View Post
    No matter the race of the people involved, I find it unsettling that Florida law allows for a man to Stalk a teenage boy in his car and then on foot, call the police, ignore the responder telling him to stop following him, get into a confrontation with the teenager, and shoot the kid if at any point in the altercation he feels like his life is in danger. The jury's decision was pretty much the only option they had given Florida Law, and I hope I am not alone in thinking that it is a bit concerning.
    Please explain how the so-called stand your ground law got Zimmerman acquitted. Here's the jury instruction that mentions stand your ground:

    If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    Do you even know what the SYG laws mean? How could he have retreated? Slithered out from under Trayvon Martin and run away? How could he have retreated? It is for people like you that the law was written. From your armchair quarterback position, you postulate away on how, once Zimmerman's nose was probably/possibly broken, he was straddled and having his head boinked against the concrete, he had dozens of options besides wrestling for his gun and shooting the attacker.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    all the events leading up to the confrontation were legal and just... and that goes for both fellows.

    where **** went downhill is when one fellow made the choice to initiate violence without justifiable provocation.

    We don't know that this is what happened.

    We don't know that this is what happened.

    I'm not sure what people aren't getting here.

    And to be perfectly clear: I agree with the acquittal. The state didn't make it's case; and it's possible that Zimmerman's stated version is true.

    But that's it. Period. The possibility.

    That's enough to acquit, and that is a fair and reasonable decision within the justice system.


    But to say we know what happened is flatly, utterly, undeniably untrue.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    We don't know that this is what happened.

    We don't know that this is what happened.

    I'm not sure what people aren't getting here.

    And to be perfectly clear: I agree with the acquittal. The state didn't make it's case; and it's possible that Zimmerman's stated version is true.

    But that's it. Period. The possibility.

    That's enough to acquit, and that is a fair and reasonable decision within the justice system.


    But to say we know what happened is flatly, utterly, undeniably untrue.
    yeah, i see that is a rather worthless argument.

    the same could be said about every criminal case we talk about, or have ever talked about...and will ever talk about

    we all know we weren't there.. we all know we don't know "exactly" what happened...this is why we rely on the evidence to draw the picture for us.

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