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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Regular self-defense laws don't require people to retreat in those instances. "Duty to retreat" laws only require retreat when there is a retreat option.
    Right but the only reason Holder is harping on this is because of the Zimmerman case, it's terrible to see him and the rest of the Obama regime politicizing this.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Right but the only reason Holder is harping on this is because of the Zimmerman case, it's terrible to see him and the rest of the Obama regime politicizing this.
    They aren't "politicizing" it. It's a political issue inherently. Every case is.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    "Stand your ground" benefits black shooters in self defense FAR more than it does anyone. Getting rid of it will only put a lot more black people in prison.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    They aren't "politicizing" it. It's a political issue inherently. Every case is.
    Oh wake up man.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    This is all about Obama/Holder trying to excuse the fact in front of their supporters that they're getting nowhere on the civil rights charges. Can't get Zimmerman, go after SYG. Classic. Eric Holder - worst Atty Gen ever.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Our whole world is being turned upside down...and not only with the Zimmerman case...but that's what we're discussing here.

    First, the state of Florida threw the full weight and power of the government against a private citizen and persecuted him for political gain in response to mob rule. Then our Federal government indicates they intend to throw their full weight and power at a private citizen in a Civil Rights case.
    The case against Zimmerman was weak and obviously the decision to even bring it to trial was purely political. I think in a private moment even the staunchest Trayvon Martin supporters would acknowledge that Zimmerman had no business being charged with 2nd degree murder.

    What is interesting about the civil rights noise being made right now is that after the OJ verdict there was not one single peep out of the fed about the possibility of bringing a civil rights case against him. Despite overwhelming evidence against him and a successful civil suit... not a peep. Why now and not then?

    Remember Rodney King? The jury foreman didn't even get "not guilty" out of his mouth before the feds were lining up the civil rights case. If the feds do choose to go this route it would be very interesting to compare and contrast their logic behind pursuing or not pursuing civil rights violations in these three very high profile cases.

    I think it's all just noise, anyway. I have a hard time believing they'd risk pissing off Hispanics at this point in time.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Oh wake up man.
    I'm wide awake.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sure and Holder believes that Stand Your Ground facilitates false claims of self-defense. He wants to prevent people from shooting innocent people and then falsely claiming self-defense. He doesn't want to wait until after people are already dead.
    If that were true he would have acted in curbing the kind of gun violence that is happening in Chicago instead of reacting to one shooting as though it is a novel concept. On the face of it it appears that he is concerned with gun violence overall, but his past inactivity suggests that this is simply the photo op of the day. The man is a hazard to the country and needs to be thrown out of office in deference to someone who will execute the duties of the position, and interfering with state laws is not one of them.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the LA Times:



    It has begun.

    What do you think?
    Holder is just anti-2nd amendment and anti-self defense scumbag not letting a tragedy go to waste.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    I posted this on another thread but hewre it goes again.

    He made these comments to 2 black groups.

    It seems his thinking is that blacks are more likely to be the aggressors so in order to save more black lives, people should run instead of trying to defend themselves.

    Is it racist for him to asume the aggressor would be black? Maybe

    Does anybody think Holder would be making comments on this if Martin was anything other tan black?

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