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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Hillarious stuff here. Not only does he think Stand Your Ground laws suck, he also thinks that a victim has the duty, yes, he said duty, to retreat.

    Can't wait for the next murder so we can all question the victims inability to follow their duty to run away.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Legal mandating of a "flight" response for all people, largely based off a gross overreaction to one case that's being held up as some kind of common place standard.

    This is the idiocy of our politics.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Legal mandating of a "flight" response for all people, largely based off a gross overreaction to one case that's being held up as some kind of common place standard.

    This is the idiocy of our politics.
    Our whole world is being turned upside down...and not only with the Zimmerman case...but that's what we're discussing here.

    First, the state of Florida threw the full weight and power of the government against a private citizen and persecuted him for political gain in response to mob rule. Then our Federal government indicates they intend to throw their full weight and power at a private citizen in a Civil Rights case.

    I believe in "investigating." What I don't believe in is our Federal government's impartiality in this matter. I think it's an attempt to lynch a man who's already been found not guilty of murder. To do whatever is necessary to completely destroy him. For political gain. In answer to mob rule. It is frightening.

    If there had been no SYG law in Florida, jury instructions would have simply said:

    In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.
    This would have been left out:

    If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    A sane jury would have come to the same conclusion.

    To think that George Zimmerman had some kind of duty to force himself from underneath Trayvon Martin's straddle is insane.

    It's a scary world we live in . . .
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the LA Times:



    It has begun.

    What do you think?
    How are you going to retreat when someone is on top of you pounding your head into the ground..... Holder is an absolute idiot.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Our whole world is being turned upside down...and not only with the Zimmerman case...but that's what we're discussing here.

    First, the state of Florida threw the full weight and power of the government against a private citizen and persecuted him for political gain in response to mob rule. Then our Federal government indicates they intend to throw their full weight and power at a private citizen in a Civil Rights case.

    I believe in "investigating." What I don't believe in is our Federal government's impartiality in this matter. I think it's an attempt to lynch a man who's already been found not guilty of murder. To do whatever is necessary to completely destroy him. For political gain. In answer to mob rule. It is frightening.

    If there had been no SYG law in Florida, jury instructions would have simply said:



    This would have been left out:



    A sane jury would have come to the same conclusion.

    To think that George Zimmerman had some kind of duty to force himself from underneath Trayvon Martin's straddle is insane.

    It's a scary world we live in . . .
    I think that the Florida law doesn't work, in that it doesn't distinguish between people who aren't looking for trouble and people who go out on armed patrol. Theoretically according to the law the verdict was correct, however the law is flawed and the Z/M case just threw light on what those flaws were. The problem is, you're not going to get the law to change because the media on both sides is more interested in whipping their people into a "justified outrage" than they are in saying "The idea behind the law is good, but we need to tweak it so it works."

    Zimmerman could not have gotten out from under Martin (or we don't think he could anyway), but he could have avoided the situation altogether.


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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    From the LA Times:



    It has begun.

    What do you think?
    What an absolutely despicable human being this Eric Holder fellow is.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Wishful thinking,
    I'm afraid.

    What would be lovely would be Al Sharpton turning his focus to Chicago.

    Never going to happen. There's no distinct racial dichotomy to play off of.

    No way to build a narrative based on. "racial injustice" and false pretenses, so the violence continues.

    If the body Count in Chicago was being caused exclusively by Whites ( or " White Hispanics...." with black victims, they would have mobilized the National Guard months ago and we would have never heard a word about George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin.

    But apparently the blood shed is justified in the minds of the race baiters.

    I wonder, if the gang bangers call a truce in Chicago for the Trayvon Martin Protest ? And call it off once they get back to the hood so the random killings can continue ?

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think that the Florida law doesn't work, in
    that it doesn't distinguish between people who aren't looking for trouble and people who go out on armed patrol. Theoretically according to the law the verdict was correct, however the law is flawed and the Z/M case just threw light on what those flaws were. The problem is, you're not going to get the law to change because the media on both sides is more interested in whipping their people into a "justified outrage" than they are in saying "The idea behind the law is good, but we need to tweak it so it works."

    Zimmerman could not have gotten out from under Martin (or we don't think he could anyway), but he could have avoided the situation altogether.
    There was a distinct and acute drop in violent crime after the stand your ground law in Florida was passed.

    Of course the law works.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Legal mandating of a "flight" response for all people, largely based off a gross overreaction to one case that's being held up as some kind of common place standard.

    This is the idiocy of our politics.
    And, strangely, the stand your ground law wasn't used in Zimmerman's defense. It was a straightforward self defense case.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    How are you going to retreat when someone is on top of you pounding your head into the ground..... Holder is an absolute idiot.
    Regular self-defense laws don't require people to retreat in those instances. "Duty to retreat" laws only require retreat when there is a retreat option.

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