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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Here's another one. Someone is on top of you MMA style beating your head into the concrete. Do you have the option to retreat before being able to use deadly force, i. e. Stand Your Ground?
    Oh sure! Like that would ever happen


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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    The below quote is from the juror interviewed on Anderson Cooper


    So George in a locked car and armed with the police on the way ... could not take pause and follow instructions from law enforcement yet ... the juror says Trayvon should have "When George confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home " ...?

    In bold are her exact words.

    Do you think unarmed teens being followed have different fear reactions than a husky big guy who knows the police are en-route with a car and armed? We do not even know any account but George's fishy tale.
    OK, first off, he didn't NOT follow police instructions, the transcript I seen said "Are you following him? Ok, we don't need you to do that." Is that an instruction telling him not to do something? Or is it them saying it isn't required?

    Second, as the story goes, Tray instigated the fight, perhaps our youth will think twice about sucker punching someone when they know the end result is they could end up dead.

    I know police who in training are told and this is the honest to god truth "If you have to use your service weapon make sure you are the only one left to give a statement."

    good for the goose is...

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    OK, first off, he didn't NOT follow police instructions, the transcript I seen said "Are you following him? Ok, we don't need you to do that." Is that an instruction telling him not to do something? Or is it them saying it isn't required?

    Second, as the story goes, Tray instigated the fight, perhaps our youth will think twice about sucker punching someone when they know the end result is they could end up dead.

    I know police who in training are told and this is the honest to god truth "If you have to use your service weapon make sure you are the only one left to give a statement."

    good for the goose is...
    As the story goes according to whom? Zimmerman, the guy who has every incentive to lie? As for the weapon thing and killing, yeah the story goes the same with with homeowners, and for good reason.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    As the story goes according to whom? Zimmerman, the guy who has every incentive to lie? As for the weapon thing and killing, yeah the story goes the same with with homeowners, and for good reason.
    According to the evidence provided at the trial that gave a not guilty verdict to the accused.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    According to the evidence provided at the trial that gave a not guilty verdict to the accused.
    There was no evidence to show who started the fight. That's a figment of your imagination. The only evidence was Trayvon's girlfriend who says that Trayvon was pushed, and her testimony wouldn't be considered credible in that circumstance because she was on the phone and couldn't possibly tell what happened.

    What we do know is that Zimmerman got out of his car looking for streetsigns in backyards.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    It's far better to have criminals terrified of committing crimes than lawful citizens terrified to leave their own homes. People get caught in the crossfire either way, but firearms in the American civilian sector are still used vastly more for good than evil. In fact, police kill far more people man for man than your average, law abiding gun owner.

    As to the above statement, there was insufficient evidence to show that Zimmerman had committed murder or manslaughter in court. Thus, he was found not guilty. There was no objective evidence showing that Zimmerman committed murder beyond a reasonable doubt that was presented at the trial.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Holder is the turd in the punch bowl. I think I dislike him more than Obama. We can't seem to get rid of this crook.
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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    There was no evidence to show who started the fight. That's a figment of your imagination. The only evidence was Trayvon's girlfriend who says that Trayvon was pushed, and her testimony wouldn't be considered credible in that circumstance because she was on the phone and couldn't possibly tell what happened.

    What we do know is that Zimmerman got out of his car looking for streetsigns in backyards.
    Juror: 'No doubt' that George Zimmerman feared for his life - CNN.com

    Figment, huh? Well someone is suffering from delusions....

    Where did this juror get her impression? By evidence presented and testimony reviewed...

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Holder is the turd in the punch bowl. I think I dislike him more than Obama. We can't seem to get rid of this crook.
    Unfortunately for our nation, nobody has really tried, much less fast and furiously.

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    Re: Holder speaks out against 'Stand Your Ground' laws after Zimmerman verdict

    Holder is an idiot.

    He is without doubt, among the most throughly corrupt human beings to ever hold public office. He is a racist to his core and throughly unfit for public office.

    What Holder seeks is little more than a reverse of the circumstances which he feels that black folks were subjected to during the last 230 years in the US, wherein black folks could not offer a legal defense for killing a white person.

    He literally is claiming that because Trayvon was Black, Zimmerman has NO POTENTIAL BASIS WHICH COULD HOPE TO JUSTIFY HIS BEING KILLED.

    When in truth, that position is absurd… Trayvon got what Trayvon deserved. Had Trayvon kept walking to wherever it was he was going, then Zimmerman would have never spoken to him… The odds are, that the Sanford PD would have found Trayvon, asked him some questions and sent him on his way.

    But TRAYVON DECIDED TO ATTACK ZIMMERMAN and it was at THAT point that Zimmerman was justified in defending himself.

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