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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What's interesting is that pro abortion rights advocates say by way of defense of abortion that the vast majority of them occur weeks before 20 weeks, so it's puzzling why 20 weeks is so objectionable. It seems like a little double speak going on.
    Because those who don't perform them at 20 weeks usually have reasons such as economic hardship.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because those who don't perform them at 20 weeks usually have reasons such as economic hardship.
    And so we should let this kid grow more and more into a human being so that the mother can kill it all because she's poor? Are these super poor women magically going to find the money at week 21?
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because those who don't perform them at 20 weeks usually have reasons such as economic hardship.
    I thought abortions got more complex (you know, because of that fetus's stubborn and unreasonable insistence on growing and developing) and expensive the later they occurred.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    The rights of people to control their bodies takes a step back.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I thought abortions got more complex (you know, because of that fetus's stubborn and unreasonable insistence on growing and developing) and expensive the later they occurred.
    Which justifies why a lot of women aren't able to afford them in the 20 weeks allotted. Even if a woman found out about her pregnancy when it would cost say 400$ there are a lot of factors which should be taken into consideration when affording an abortion. Does she rent or own? How much net income can she afford to put towards an abortion? Is she the sole provider in her household? Can she afford to put 400$ towards an abortion? If she can't do that much when an abortion costs 400$, there is still a possibility she'll be able to after say the 19th week, when it may cost $700 and she's been allotted time to deal with all the other factors needed to consider when trying to pay an abortion.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And so we should let this kid grow more and more into a human being so that the mother can kill it all because she's poor? Are these super poor women magically going to find the money at week 21?
    Well and economic hardship could well happen after the baby is born.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions | Fox News

    The hotly contested bill appears to have passed in the Texas state senate and is being sent to the governor's desk. It appears that we've inched a little bit closer to progressing as a nation.
    I'll take every baby step we can get.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    A federal court has already rules against the restriction that only hospital-allowed doctors may do abortions. The language also could prevent clinics from preventing MAPs to women, including rape victims - thus only leaving the alternative of abortion later - thus a law that potentially increases the number of abortions.

    Politicians, however, will waste any amount of money to gain favor with their primary voter base, which for Republicans is the religious rightwing.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I would seriously advise studying the art of debate.
    I'm well aware of the art of debate and I'm also aware that denying an argument because you don't like it is not a valid tactic.
    Everything you're posting is foolish nonsense that doesn't correlate in any logical way to the abortion debate.
    Of course it does.
    Your analogy fails because the logic is asinine.
    The logic is deliberately similar to the logic of the pro-life crowd. If you think it's asinine, then we can agree on that.
    You cannot argue against an opinion until you first learn to understand and respect the basis for that opinion.
    It's not your opinion, but rather the logic in defending this Texas law that I'm challenging. I completely understand the position of pro-life, but the logic supporting this bill is, as you aptly described, asinine.
    Your posts clearly show a lack of understanding.
    This is what they call irony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How about no abortion for any reason until you're 18, no elective abortion until you're 21, and if you want to tell people about your abortion then you have to get a permit just like for carrying a gun, which means FBI fingerprints, background check, a 16 hour class, everything, just to carry an opinion about abortion.

    And you can't open-carry that opinion in TX even with a permit, such as a political t-shirt. Your opinion has to be concealed at all times and you must inform a cop that you have an opinion on abortion.

    Business owners can post a no-choice sign on their front door and if you then enter their business with an opinion on abortion, or of you've ever had an abortion, than you can be arrested for criminal trespassing, even if you a permit to have an opinion on abortion, are carrying your opinion concealed, and are in all other ways obeying the law and conducting yourself peacefully.
    I'm cannot begin to tell you how amusing I find your post here. You're arguing against gun control...I'm arguing against abortion. You're creating an example to counter the tongue-in-cheek position I created as an example.

    Just to be clear, I am not advocating the position on gun control I took. Rather I was using similar reasoning as the pro-life people in this thread were and applied it to a different situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Well then lets try to "equate" a specific constituional right to keep and bear arms to a specific constitutional right to access abortion freely for the first trimester, a limitted abortion right for the second trimester and virtually no abortion right thereafter. To buy a handgun in Texas is easy (unless you had a DWI or some other criminal infraction) and so is getting an abortion within the first 12 weeks, to carry that handgun requires taking a class, passing a test and paying a large fee but to get an abortion after that 12th week through the 20th week is still just as easy. Only very limitted places may sell guns/ammo commercially, they must meet very strict conditions and keep exacting records - so must commercial abortion facilities under the new law. You see, "reasonable restrictions" are all still in the hands of the majority - despite any constituional implications to the contrary.
    I'm not trying to compare guns and abortion. I'm simply using the logic to put forth a law I'm guessing you and many other pro-lifers would disagree with.

    As I said before...When you understand why you have trouble with the reasoning behind the position, perhaps you'll gain some insight into the problems pro-choice has with the logic of pro-life in this thread.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which justifies why a lot of women aren't able to afford them in the 20th weeks allotted.
    Really? So everyone who claims that the vast majority of abortions occur well before 20 weeks is wrong?

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