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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Sorry for the ridiculously long post...
    It wasn't "ridiculously" long, and I hope others have read it in its entirely. I think it's the first time at DP that I have read a first-hand account, and I do thank you for sharing your experience.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    And useless posts are useless.
    Glad you agree.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Glad you agree.
    I do, which has me wondering why you bothered to post a response to me without posting a response to me?

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Sorry for the ridiculously long post...
    I don't find it to be too long or ridiculous. I simply disagree on your final point, which I point out in the post just before yours.

    So now, most of the facilities will close. Okay...but I never saw where the Texas Legislators presented facts that in any way prove that there efforts were indeed creating a reduction in health risks for women who seek abortions.

    This will simply force women to seek out probably much more unsafe venues to deal with their abortions...just as they did before Roe v. Wade where access to provider who would be, by far, more safe than the alternative.

    Thanks, Tess.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Sorry for the ridiculously long post...
    It was an awesome post. Thank you for it. You and I may not agree on everything regarding this issue, but there's no question that you approach it with honesty. I'll be honest too, I support the bill because it places limits on a practice I cannot support, but you show that it's possible to be pro-choice (right down to drawing on your own personal experiences) without acting as if the abortion industry is some sacred cow that's above all criticism and accountability.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't find it to be too long or ridiculous. I simply disagree on your final point, which I point out in the post just before yours.

    So now, most of the facilities will close. Okay...but I never saw where the Texas Legislators presented facts that in any way prove that there efforts were indeed creating a reduction in health risks for women who seek abortions.

    This will simply force women to seek out probably much more unsafe venues to deal with their abortions...just as they did before Roe v. Wade where access to provider who would be, by far, more safe than the alternative.

    Thanks, Tess.
    You can't prove something before it happens, so I don't see how they could have presented facts on how the bill would or wouldn't effect the safety of clinics and abortions.

    That's what I hate about the "this is going to happen when we pass this bill" conjecture. It's never correct. It either instills unjustified fears or false hopes.

    This bill could create havoc. It could lead to better care. It's really up to the antis and pros to decide which.

    What's particular sad to me is that the pros would rather sit back and let women pursue riskier options w/o interference to prove their point then take action and help clinics stay open through fundraising, advocacy, and charity relations, 'cause they can't prove their point and win the debate if they interfere positively.

    And it's the same with any legislation that requires changes. When those who oppose it sit back and do nothing, then scream about how the worst case scenario has come true...well, to me they're no better than those who had nefarious intentions in DRAFTING the legislation.

    "Be the change you want to see in the world."

    I want safer, better run, better regulated abortion clinics for women, because I'm not the only woman who had a bad experience. This is a chance for PPH and others to MAKE THAT HAPPEN with the full backing of the law on their side. And instead they pit themselves against it.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I think I support a similar law regarding firearms. You can only buy a gun in the first 20 years of your life. After that, you're no longer allowed to purchase them. After all, 20 years is plenty of time to decide. I know many countries have much more limiting criteria than 20 years. Furthermore, I support legislation which says firearms can only be sold at Bass Pro Shops. Sure, there are only a few of them scattered throughout the country, but how else can we make sure guns are being sold responsibly by people following the law?

    This is my proposal, and I fully expect the pro-life people in this thread to support my reasoning, even if you don't support my idea.
    Really? This means it would be legal for 8, 9 and 10 year olds to buy guns but not 21 year olds? I get what you're trying to do but to call what you posted "reasoning" is a huge stretch.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    If what I've read is true, Texas simply joins 13 other states who have similar 20 week limits on access to abortion, although in a couple of those states, their courts have stopped implementation while the constitutionality of the laws are adjudicated.

    I don't know the medical details related to viability and when it becomes possible to determine if a fetus is developing normally and healthily, etc. but I have to agree with others here who have indicated that 20 weeks should be sufficient time for a woman to make a choice about whether she wants a child or not. Surely, it doesn't take more than 20 weeks to make such a choice.

    Can anyone who opposes this change in the law indicate what medically happens between 20 weeks and the former 24 weeks that makes a woman who wants a child to suddenly decide not to want the child?
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Really? This means it would be legal for 8, 9 and 10 year olds to buy guns but not 21 year olds? I get what you're trying to do but to call what you posted "reasoning" is a huge stretch.
    Hmm...are you trying to say there are circumstances early in the decision making process which make it difficult to take an action?

    And I am glad you understand what I'm trying to do. While the circumstances surrounding the situations are obviously different, perhaps it can provide some insight to why many in the pro-choice crowd do not care for much of the reasoning of the pro-life crowd in this thread.

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