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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions[W:240]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You seem to be conflating teen mothers with single mothers. But this information is interesting.

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    My real point was about more stable marriages. Blue states not only have less teen moms they also have a lower divorce rate than Red states.

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    In "Red Families v. Blue Families," we pointed out the irony that blue states, despite their relatively progressive politics, have lower divorce and teen birth rates than do red states.

    In fact, the college-educated middle class, partly by postponing having children, has managed to better embody the traditional ideal: that is, a greater percentage of children being raised in two-parent families.
    In response, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat admitted that "it isn't just contraception that delays childbearing in liberal states, it's also a matter of how plausible an option abortion seems, both morally and practically ..." Although he conceded that "the 'red family' model can look dysfunctional -- an uneasy mix of rigor and permissiveness, whose ideals don't always match up with the facts of contemporary life," he argued that "it reflects something else as well: an attempt, however compromised, to navigate post-sexual revolution America without relying on abortion."

    He's right. The big secret very few are willing to discuss is that abortion rates do seem to correlate with greater commitment to marriage. Although the college-educated have a relatively low number of abortions, a higher percentage of their unplanned pregnancies end in abortion than for any other group. The college-educated almost certainly think of themselves as embracing the pill and resorting to abortion only in the relatively rare cases where contraception fails.
    Yet the bottom line is that the willingness to abort, however infrequently it occurs, makes it possible to reinforce the norm against having a child outside of marriage.


    Sociologist Averil Clarke points out that unmarried white college grads, who have maintained a 2 percent nonmarital birth rate for the last 20 years, terminate a higher percentage of pregnancies than do other groups. And urban theorist Richard Florida finds that the higher a state's abortion rate, the lower its divorce rate.

    This creates the dilemma Douthat identified for those who see abortion as immoral. The Christian right preaches that contraception is not perfect, that sex inevitably risks pregnancy and that abstinence provides the only solution. And indeed, as the number of abortions has dropped, the rate of unmarried women giving birth has increased. Nonelite young women often give their opposition to abortion as an explanation for why they went ahead and had the child, even if in other ways religion has not influenced them much.
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    Single parents: An antiabortion legacy | StarTribune.com
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions[W:240]

    I thought it would take Texas longer to become a blue state, but now I'm thinking less time ...

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can anyone really defend the idea that it takes longer than five months for a woman to decide whether she wants an abortion or not?
    There are people that spend that long deciding over a vacation, car, or home. The question is why wouldn't a person spend that time going over such a large decision such as abortion?

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There are people that spend that long deciding over a vacation, car, or home. The question is why wouldn't a person spend that time going over such a large decision such as abortion?
    Doesn't make much sense; if you have a moral compass whatsoever, you wouldn't even consider it.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Doesn't make much sense; if you have a moral compass whatsoever, you wouldn't even consider it.
    Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion. Anti-abortionists can take their moral compass and cram that north needle up their asses.

    My point stands.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion. Anti-abortionists can take their moral compass and cram that north needle up their asses.

    My point stands.
    So, a three year old child loses both parents and faces no prospect of being raised by people who love him - it's moral to kill the child? What about a 12 year old child?

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, a three year old child loses both parents and faces no prospect of being raised by people who love him - it's moral to kill the child? What about a 12 year old child?
    Yeah, cause that's what I said.

    Another anti-abortion nutjob comment from you as usualy. Read it again, and if you need help, look up hooked on phonics for help.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah, cause that's what I said.

    Another anti-abortion nutjob comment from you as usualy. Read it again, and if you need help, look up hooked on phonics for help.

    You used the claim that it was cruel to raise an "unloved child" in order to morally justify killing the child. You need to defend the logic, or abandon it in the admission that that is an incredibly idiotic place to plant ones' standard.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You used the claim that it was cruel to bring an "unloved child" into the world in order to justify killing the child. You need to defend the logic, or abandon it in the admission that that is an incredibly idiotic place to plant ones' standard.
    Bring in, as BORN. Not AFTER it's born like 3 years. Amazing how idiotic some conservatives are.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion.



    So either love your kids, something you're supposed to do anyway, or give them up for adoption.

    Gee, that was complicated. Good thing we didn't need to savagely and violently kill anyone to solve it; that would have been needless and cruel.

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