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Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions[W:240]

You seem to be conflating teen mothers with single mothers. But this information is interesting.

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My real point was about more stable marriages. Blue states not only have less teen moms they also have a lower divorce rate than Red states.

from this article:
In "Red Families v. Blue Families," we pointed out the irony that blue states, despite their relatively progressive politics, have lower divorce and teen birth rates than do red states.

In fact, the college-educated middle class, partly by postponing having children, has managed to better embody the traditional ideal: that is, a greater percentage of children being raised in two-parent families.
In response, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat admitted that "it isn't just contraception that delays childbearing in liberal states, it's also a matter of how plausible an option abortion seems, both morally and practically ..." Although he conceded that "the 'red family' model can look dysfunctional -- an uneasy mix of rigor and permissiveness, whose ideals don't always match up with the facts of contemporary life," he argued that "it reflects something else as well: an attempt, however compromised, to navigate post-sexual revolution America without relying on abortion."

He's right. The big secret very few are willing to discuss is that abortion rates do seem to correlate with greater commitment to marriage. Although the college-educated have a relatively low number of abortions, a higher percentage of their unplanned pregnancies end in abortion than for any other group. The college-educated almost certainly think of themselves as embracing the pill and resorting to abortion only in the relatively rare cases where contraception fails.
Yet the bottom line is that the willingness to abort, however infrequently it occurs, makes it possible to reinforce the norm against having a child outside of marriage.


Sociologist Averil Clarke points out that unmarried white college grads, who have maintained a 2 percent nonmarital birth rate for the last 20 years, terminate a higher percentage of pregnancies than do other groups. And urban theorist Richard Florida finds that the higher a state's abortion rate, the lower its divorce rate.

This creates the dilemma Douthat identified for those who see abortion as immoral. The Christian right preaches that contraception is not perfect, that sex inevitably risks pregnancy and that abstinence provides the only solution. And indeed, as the number of abortions has dropped, the rate of unmarried women giving birth has increased. Nonelite young women often give their opposition to abortion as an explanation for why they went ahead and had the child, even if in other ways religion has not influenced them much.

Read more:

Single parents: An antiabortion legacy | StarTribune.com
 
I thought it would take Texas longer to become a blue state, but now I'm thinking less time ...
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Can anyone really defend the idea that it takes longer than five months for a woman to decide whether she wants an abortion or not?

There are people that spend that long deciding over a vacation, car, or home. The question is why wouldn't a person spend that time going over such a large decision such as abortion?
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

There are people that spend that long deciding over a vacation, car, or home. The question is why wouldn't a person spend that time going over such a large decision such as abortion?

Doesn't make much sense; if you have a moral compass whatsoever, you wouldn't even consider it.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Doesn't make much sense; if you have a moral compass whatsoever, you wouldn't even consider it.

Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion. Anti-abortionists can take their moral compass and cram that north needle up their asses.

My point stands.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion. Anti-abortionists can take their moral compass and cram that north needle up their asses.

My point stands.

So, a three year old child loses both parents and faces no prospect of being raised by people who love him - it's moral to kill the child? What about a 12 year old child?
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

So, a three year old child loses both parents and faces no prospect of being raised by people who love him - it's moral to kill the child? What about a 12 year old child?

Yeah, cause that's what I said. :roll:

Another anti-abortion nutjob comment from you as usualy. Read it again, and if you need help, look up hooked on phonics for help.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Yeah, cause that's what I said. :roll:

Another anti-abortion nutjob comment from you as usualy. Read it again, and if you need help, look up hooked on phonics for help.


You used the claim that it was cruel to raise an "unloved child" in order to morally justify killing the child. You need to defend the logic, or abandon it in the admission that that is an incredibly idiotic place to plant ones' standard.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

You used the claim that it was cruel to bring an "unloved child" into the world in order to justify killing the child. You need to defend the logic, or abandon it in the admission that that is an incredibly idiotic place to plant ones' standard.

Bring in, as BORN. Not AFTER it's born like 3 years. Amazing how idiotic some conservatives are.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Ya know you can spout all you want about moral compass, but I think bringing a child into this world that will not be loved is more cruel than abortion.


:yawn:

So either love your kids, something you're supposed to do anyway, or give them up for adoption.

Gee, that was complicated. Good thing we didn't need to savagely and violently kill anyone to solve it; that would have been needless and cruel.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

:yawn:

So either love your kids, something you're supposed to do anyway, or give them up for adoption.

Gee, that was complicated. Good thing we didn't need to savagely and violently kill anyone to solve it; that would have been needless and cruel.

Yeah, because we don't have ANY kids waiting for adoption well into their teens. :roll:

And please tell me how I am opposed to loving MY kids?

Cruel is leaving them there to suffer. How heartless of you. Nice to see you are for BIG government making decisions for you.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Bring in, as BORN. Not AFTER it's born like 3 years. Amazing how idiotic some conservatives are.

:) your ad hominem aside, you are shifting arguments. Is Abortions' morality dependent on whether or not a child is a child, or whether or not it is loved by others?
 
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:) your ad hominem aside, you are shifting arguments. Is Abortions' morality dependent on whether or not a child is a child, or whether or not it is loved by others?

The morality of abortion is not dependent on anything except the mothers decision not to carry a child for 9 months. When you anti-abortionists figure out how to remove it out of the woman so it can continue to grow without her, then I'll give a **** about your whining and crying. Until then, put up the money for research or deal with it.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Yeah, because we don't have ANY kids waiting for adoption well into their teens. :roll:

That's true, we do. Kinda sucks.

Tell you what though - when those kids are adults, if they're real sore about the whole not being violently killed in the womb thing, they can always kill themselves. You think it's less cruel or more cruel to just predict and assume someone's going to have a bad life and off them? To me that's kind of a pretty grievous violation of their autonomy, yeah.

And please tell me how I am opposed to loving MY kids?

Didn't say you didn't; don't take offense at nothing. General rule of thumb.

Nice to see you are for BIG government making decisions for you.

Yeah, silly me for wanting such a crazy big government that it bans murder.
 
I thought it would take Texas longer
to become a blue state, but now I'm thinking less time ...

Lol...how do you figure ? What makes you think Texans would want to mimic the mistakes and the stupidity of the Blue State Governments and their residents ? Of this President and his administration ?

Since Obama's election in 2008 historically Blue States have turned to the Right, elected Republican Govenors, done away with draconian Pro-Union laws AND started to repair the damage from decades of Democrat idiocy.

Blue Cities and States all over the Nation are going bankrupt, and its going to get much much worse because there is no economic recovery. The reality of Cities contemplating the selling of their most historical prized possesions nearly 5 years into Obama's failure counters the absolute BS from the likes of people like you.

A supposed recovery. You people elected a incompetent based on plattitudes and lies. How ridiculous.

As blue Cities give their pensioners a fraction of what they were promised, as they sell off anything of value like a crack addict looking for a fix your'e telling me voters from one of the reddest States in the Union are going to look at the example you people have set and turn this State blue ?

Well, your'e a Liberal for a reason I suppose.
 
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Yeah, silly me for wanting such a crazy big government that it bans murder.

Murder is illegal, abortion is not illegal. Yes, you do like big governmnet. Maybe you should stop trying to fool anyone and make your lean "conservative". At least you would be honest then.
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

Murder is illegal, abortion is not illegal.

Murder is a specific criminal code; it is one criminal charge that may apply to an act of homicide.

When talking specifically about what we want the government to do, I can pretty accurately say what I want it to do is "ban murder."



Yes, you do like big governmnet. Maybe you should stop trying to fool anyone and make your lean "conservative". At least you would be honest then.

I'm quite honest.

Perhaps you should stop trying to fool us with your "lean?" Libertarianism is big on the principle of non-aggression. You want the government to do nothing in the face of lethal aggression against innocents.
 
Since Obama's election in 2008 historically Blue States have turned to the Right, elected Republican Govenors,
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Seems like you are forgeting the elections in 2012 where blue stats elected more democrats including reelecting President Obama.

Yes, some blue states made a big mistake in 2010 during a time when our country was in a deep recession and voted in some Republican Governors.
Many of those states paid dearly which is why they woke up and reelected President Obama.
 
Lol...how do you figure ? What makes you think Texans would want to mimic the mistakes and the stupidity of the Blue State Governments and their residents ? Of this President and his administration ?

Since Obama's election in 2008 historically Blue States have turned to the Right, elected Republican Govenors, done away with draconian Pro-Union laws AND started to repair the damage from decades of Democrat idiocy.

Blue Cities and States all over the Nation are going bankrupt, and its going to get much much worse because there is no economic recovery. The reality of Cities contemplating the selling of their most historical prized possesions nearly 5 years into Obama's failure counters the absolute BS from the likes of people like you.

A supposed recovery. You people elected a incompetent based on plattitudes and lies. How ridiculous.

As blue Cities give their pensioners a fraction of what they were promised, as they sell off anything of value like a crack addict looking for a fix your'e telling me voters from one of the reddest States in the Union are going to look at the example you people have set and turn this State blue ?

Well, your'e a Liberal for a reason I suppose.

I have to say Fen, your posts always make me smile ... I'll put these predictions right next to the "Obama will lose by a landslide" one ... btw, I'm not a liberal ... if you want to find me, look to the left a lot more ...

Texas, maybe blue as early as 2016? We'll see (although I think it will take a little longer).
 
I have to say Fen, your posts always make me smile ... I'll put these predictions right next to the "Obama will lose by a landslide" one ... btw, I'm not a liberal ... if you want to find me, look to the left a lot more ...

Texas, maybe blue as early as 2016? We'll see (although I think it will take a little longer).

THis article predicts Texas will be turning Blue and be it may be sooner than many think.
From this article:
Did the Supreme Court Just Turn Texas Blue?
Supreme Court invalidated a key part of the Voting Rights Act that specifically covered Texas, state Attorney General Greg Abbott promised that his state, newly freed from federal oversight, would "immediately" implement its previously blocked voter ID law.
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"Registration rates are comparatively low in Texas because historically it has not been competitive and the Democratic Party in Texas has an abysmal record of outreach to minorities."

That's changing. Democrats are now investing in organizing the state. They have a long way to go. But if the combination of Republican redistricting and voter ID regulations -- both of which inhibit minority power -- wake the sleeping nonwhite majority, the state's demographic wave could hit shore sooner than many realize. Under optimal circumstances, Barreto said the state could become a battleground in four to eight years.

Republicans seem perversely eager to bring it on. After spending the morning gearing up to annoy blacks and Hispanics, Texas Republicans inspired a fiery filibuster by Democratic state legislator Wendy Davis that stretched into the night. By trying to regulate abortion rights out of existence, Texas Republicans made a national hero of Davis, who is already talking of running for governor. Altogether, quite a day.

Did the Supreme Court Just Turn Texas Blue? - Bloomberg
 
Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

The morality of abortion is not dependent on anything except the mothers decision not to carry a child for 9 months.

Uh, no. The incident of Abortion is not dependent on anything except the mothers' decision. The morality of that choice is a different question from its' occurrence.

When you anti-abortionists figure out how to remove it out of the woman so it can continue to grow without her, then I'll give a **** about your whining and crying. Until then, put up the money for research or deal with it.

This is also a baseless argument, akin to the claim that because abolitionists did not, in fact, purchase the slaves and send them all back to Africa, that freeing them was illegitimate.
 
Many women who are faced with an unwanted pregnancy feel that an abortion is the moral decision.
 
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