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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    From Yahoo news:

    Thirty-seven of 42 Texas abortion facilities do not currently meet ASC standards.

    “Forcing clinics to become ASC’s doesn’t make any medical, logistical sense,” says Tilton-Jones of the provision. “Family planning clinics keep costs low with general anesthesia. They make no incisions. That’s the risky stuff.

    Ambulatory care costs three to five times more to operate. These clinics only have two years to meet the standards of a mini-hospital. There’s no way they can pull it off.”

    Imposing a blanket restriction on abortion would be one travesty.

    But the ASC provision in SB1 will not only effectively end the practice of abortion in most of the state of Texas,
    it will also force the closure of medical facilities that provide free or low-cost healthcare services specifically geared toward women.

    Thirty-one percent of Texan women are currently uninsured. For many poor and rural women, family planning clinics are their only source for sexually transmitted disease screenings, contraception, pap smears and screenings for diabetes and high blood pressure.


    “For many Texas women, their annual women’s health checkup at these clinics is the only access to medical care they’ll get all year,” says Tilton Jones.

    Worse yet, a cynical pall hangs over SB1’s ASC provision.

    As the Texas Observer first reported, Texas Governor Rick Perry’s sister Milla Perry Jones is vice president of government relations at United Surgical Partners International. Her role for that company is to lobby on behalf of ASC’s.
    What a coincidence the Governor's sister lobbies for ASC's ...who would have thunk?
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I've never made any claim that most, or even a lot of late abortions happen out of convenience, just that when they do occur, they should be illegal. As I pointed out with my analogy before, just because not a lot of people stab other people in the face with a pencil, doesn't mean it needs to be legal.

    My plan accounts for all of these situations. If a doctor determines the abortion isn't "willy-nilly", and had a fundamental medical reasoning, then that exception would be entirely legal. The only group of people you and I don't agree on are elective abortionists after 12 weeks. THIS is the only category we disagree on. So looking at ONLY elective abortions after 12 weeks, what real reasoning does someone need 20+ weeks instead of 12 weeks to make a decision?



    These facilities have not closed yet. You have not looked at their books or queried their investors about their financial situation. You're somehow pushing the fantasy that it is impossible for a clinic to get within regulations. Every hospital and plastic surgeon in the country meets these standards, and I don't see you saying every one of them is "illegal".
    With that message you don't even pretend at integrity anymore nor is the issue at what point should abortion be legal. That is just you and others absolutely determined to derail 100% of all topics of any kind to the "baby killing" debate.

    No, none have closed. OH HOW CLEVER YOU ARE. The governor has not yet signed the bill so it isn't law yet. So none have closed yet. OH, gosh, you thought you'd just slide that little detail past.
    The question isn't about "every hospital in the country," is it?

    Oh, yeah, you forgot this reality everyone knows too. ProLifers are absolute that NO TAX money goes to abortion. And that means??? ANY HOSPITAL THAT WOULD DO AN ABORTION LOSES ALL PUBLIC FUNDS. So no, hospitals will not do abortions.

    Then you propose that - between boob jobs - plastic surgeons are who should do abortions. Forced to by the government? Do plastic surgeons know anything about abortions? Your claim that with this new law, plastic surgeons are going to hire a security force, put bars on their windows, relocate their homes to secret locations, and risk assassination, arson, bombing and armies of protestors because...??



    That has to be possibly the most absurd proposal on the abortion topic this month: Your proposal of "Then plastic surgeons will do abortions."

    There is absolute ZERO reality OR integrity in that rebuttal.

    BUT IT IS YOUR CLAIM:

    LIST ALL PLASTIC SURGEONS IN TEXAS WHO HAVE STATED THAT WITH THIS NEW LAW THEY WILL START DOING ABORTIONS - - - and your answer tells your level of integrity in your messages.

    In terms of proposals, despite your messages, your messages are the most bizarre radical ProLife messages currently on the forum in content.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Gosh, Tigger...I'm really starting to get concerned for you.
    Why would that be? It's most definitely not needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your should change "our" in your second sentence to "other people's."
    If these people could be responsible in dealing with the consequence of the act, I'd personally have no problem letting them do whatever they damn well pleased, joko. However, a large percentage of them have categorically proven an inability to deal with the potential consequences of their actions. Instead they either commit a major moral crime (abortion), or in many cases they allow themselves to be put in a position where YOU and I end up paying for the child instead.

    My fiance and I choose not to engage in sexual activity for two reasons.... 1. We are not at a point where we can afford to be dealing with the costs of a pregnancy as we prepare for our wedding next year and 2. The fact that we do not believe that having a child prior to marriage is appropriate. Yes, there are things we could do to REDUCE the chance of a pregnancy occuring, but there is only one thing we can do to ENSURE it doesn't happen - remain celebate.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    But, as Tigger stated, the solution is simple. 13 year old girls should not get themselves raped. It's the girl's fault. So if she dies of such desperate toxins - that maybe the girl learned about online or from a friend - that girl deserved to die anyway (according to JayDubya) as her just punishment for murdering her uncle's or step-father's rape baby.

    Welcome to Texas, the rapist's favorite state.
    Wow. That is sure is a classy post, and it is certainly not a crock of ****.

    A thirteen year old is a minor, they should not be just consuming anything like that without parental consent / involvement. Minors require parental consent before anything like that is issued or any surgical procedure is done. Of course in your typical scenario, parents are just rape robots who inject children with evil parasites or something.

    While I will continue to advocate for a rape subforum for people like you to hang out and talk about rape all day, I don't think there needs to be a forum for you to be able to defame others with nonsense, I just think you need to stop ****ing doing it.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No that is not my solution.
    No most abortion restriction laws in the USA do not take into account a malformed fetus.

    I miscarried a very malformed fetus at 20 weeks gestation.
    I was very lucky that my body went into early labor and expelled it naturally or I would have had to a late term abortion or taken the chance I would have had an infection that would made me sterile or even perhaps have cost me my life.
    The ProLifers writing these laws don't care about that and they don't care about you. If you died, that is one less pro-choice voter. So why should they care anyway?

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The article was clear: there is NO CAUSATION between legal abortion and the rate of abortions. The only causation illustrated by the study is that of access to birth control decreasing unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions - which any moron could deduce without a study.

    The study is useless. Everyone knows that access to birth control will reduce unwanted pregnancies.

    It's nothing but a misleading title. Correlation does not equal causation. Do you understand?
    But does everyone know that making abortions illegal does nothing to reduce them? Not you I guess. No matter how many times I tell you the data you refuse to understand it.
    Restricting women's access to safe legal abortions and birth control is how you get MORE abortions and 45,000 dead women a year besides.
    Some call that pro-life?
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why would that be? It's most definitely not needed.



    If these people could be responsible in dealing with the consequence of the act, I'd personally have no problem letting them do whatever they damn well pleased, joko. However, a large percentage of them have categorically proven an inability to deal with the potential consequences of their actions. Instead they either commit a major moral crime (abortion), or in many cases they allow themselves to be put in a position where YOU and I end up paying for the child instead.

    My fiance and I choose not to engage in sexual activity for two reasons.... 1. We are not at a point where we can afford to be dealing with the costs of a pregnancy as we prepare for our wedding next year and 2. The fact that we do not believe that having a child prior to marriage is appropriate. Yes, there are things we could do to REDUCE the chance of a pregnancy occuring, but there is only one thing we can do to ENSURE it doesn't happen - remain celebate.
    Pssssssssssst, Tigger....sex is a multifaceted thing. Intercourse is only one method. Now...I may be getting up there...and even senile, but not so much that I don't know that there's more than one way to skin a cat.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why would that be? It's most definitely not needed.

    If these people could be responsible in dealing with the consequence of the act, I'd personally have no problem letting them do whatever they damn well pleased, joko. However, a large percentage of them have categorically proven an inability to deal with the potential consequences of their actions. Instead they either commit a major moral crime (abortion), or in many cases they allow themselves to be put in a position where YOU and I end up paying for the child instead.
    My fiance and I choose not to engage in sexual activity for two reasons.... 1. We are not at a point where we can afford to be dealing with the costs of a pregnancy as we prepare for our wedding next year and 2. The fact that we do not believe that having a child prior to marriage is appropriate. Yes, there are things we could do to REDUCE the chance of a pregnancy occuring, but there is only one thing we can do to ENSURE it doesn't happen - remain celebate.
    But "remaining celebate" violates the Bible's "go forth and populate the world." Your remaining celebate prevents God's plan and absolutely prevents NEW HUMAN LIFE per the laws of God and nature. So you'd have no problem if Texas passed a law outlawing contraceptives and declaring a marriage in which the couples do not have sex or time sex to avoid pregnancy is declared nullified and the couple no longer has married status - right? Texas certainly should be able to outlaw behavior it deems immoral and certainly immoral behavior that prevents new human life.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't think any of us are pretending this is about women's health. It's about protecting those that can't protect themselves.
    LOL Then it is breaking the law and must be struck down. The charade of it protecting women makes it even more offensive though.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post


    Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions | Fox News

    The hotly contested bill appears to have passed in the Texas state senate and is being sent to the governor's desk. It appears that we've inched a little bit closer to progressing as a nation.
    Good! Glad to see there is still some morality in politics.
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