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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    If it's so rare, why is everybody losing their ****? I don't support any elective abortions past 12 weeks. After that, exceptions should be made for medical cases of the mother or extreme deformities for the child.

    If elective abortions simply aren't happening late, there should be no problem restricting them. .
    And the main reason why the courts keep striking down laws which restrict an abortion before 22 weeks gestation is because those laws do not make exceptions for fetal or genetic abnormalities even if the fetus will be so malformed it will not survive.

    Ultrasound tests for fetal abnormalities cannot be performed before 18 weeks then if something wrong is detected then take an amino test at 20 weeks.

    If the abortion cutoff is at or before 20 weeks gestion women will not be able to have an abortion even if her doctor highly recommends one.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    And the main reason why the courts keep striking down laws which restrict an abortion before 22 weeks gestation is because those laws do not make exceptions for fetal or genetic abnormalities even if the fetus will be so malformed it will not survive.

    Ultrasound tests for fetal abnormalities cannot be performed before 18 weeks then if something wrong is detected then take an amino test at 20 weeks.

    If the abortion cutoff is at or before 20 weeks gestion women will not be able to have an abortion even if her doctor highly recommends one.
    Then the laws should be amended to allow for medical exceptions if they don't already (most do). Your solution is to just allow everybody to have late term abortions even if there's nothing wrong with the fetus.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm not saying they're happening in large numbers, never have. It's not often that somebody is stabbed in the face with a pencil. Should it be legal to do because it doesn't happen often?

    You still never answered my questions.

    - If it never happens, why is it a big deal if it's outlawed?
    - Why can't we just reform the law so that medical exceptions are always allowed?
    Here's the only way I can answer this. I support boundaries being set, with regard to viability. We know that a fetus can't survive outside the womb at 20 weeks. But, we also know that a 20 week plus abortions aren't common-place and is usually is for reasons related to defective fetuses or life or serious health issues of the mom. So I don't want to outlaw any provisions that would even cause disputes which would put a woman's life in harms way.

    Am I going to be bent over a 20 week limit. Not really because I know that they are rare...and women aren't being so irresponsible that it's common for such abortions to occur.

    And sticking with what we know to be true...over 85% of abortions occur much, much sooner than 20 plus weeks. Almost half of that stage. In other words...there is no crisis with 20 plus week abortions...just for the sake of convenience. Most doctors don't want to engage in a practice where they will be involved in late term abortions.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Then the laws should be amended to allow for medical exceptions if they don't already (most do). Your solution is to just allow everybody to have late term abortions even if there's nothing wrong with the fetus.
    No that is not my solution.
    No most abortion restriction laws in the USA do not take into account a malformed fetus.

    I miscarried a very malformed fetus at 20 weeks gestation.
    I was very lucky that my body went into early labor and expelled it naturally or I would have had to a late term abortion or taken the chance I would have had an infection that would made me sterile or even perhaps have cost me my life.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Unfortunately limiting the number of clinics to 4 will have a disasterous effect on abortions in Texas putting back room abortions all over the state.
    I would like to see us limit them to zero!

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Birthing internment camps. Ayup. He went there.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No that is not my solution.
    No most abortion restriction laws in the USA do not take into account a malformed fetus.

    I miscarried a very malformed fetus at 20 weeks gestation.
    I was very lucky that my body went into early labor and expelled it naturally or I would have had to a late term abortion or taken the chance I would have had an infection that would made me sterile or even perhaps have cost me my life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Here's the only way I can answer this. I support boundaries being set, with regard to viability. We know that a fetus can't survive outside the womb at 20 weeks. But, we also know that a 20 week plus abortions aren't common-place and is usually is for reasons related to defective fetuses or life or serious health issues of the mom. So I don't want to outlaw any provisions that would even cause disputes which would put a woman's life in harms way.

    Am I going to be bent over a 20 week limit. Not really because I know that they are rare...and women aren't being so irresponsible that it's common for such abortions to occur.

    And sticking with what we know to be true...over 85% of abortions occur much, much sooner than 20 plus weeks. Almost half of that stage. In other words...there is no crisis with 20 plus week abortions...just for the sake of convenience. Most doctors don't want to engage in a practice where they will be involved in late term abortions.
    Correct me if I'm completely wrong on this, but it seems like both of you wouldn't necessarily find it a bad thing for an earlier elective cutoff if 100% of medical/deformity situations could be exempted, correct? It seems far more that you are concerned about abnormal conditions.

    My plan would be such:

    - Any elective abortions up to 12 weeks completely legal
    - Any abortions after 12 weeks must be either for major fetus deformities or for real medical danger for the mother. The applicability in these situations would be determined by doctors bound by a loose legal framework.

    What would be the problem with this? Any extraneous situations would be covered, and normal elective abortions would be limited after 12 weeks. Is there any reason why a perfectly healthy woman with a perfectly healthy baby needs to wait 12-24 weeks to make a decision?
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    My plan would be on demand for the first 12 weeks.
    Between doctor and patient for the next 8 weeks.
    And for fetal or genetic malformations , danger to the life or irreparable damage to a major bodily function of the woman after 20 weeks gestation.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I would like to see us limit them to zero!
    Yeah put them back in the back rooms with untrained hacks. That will solve the problem for you. You can pretend that abortions aren't happening.
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