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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't find it to be too long or ridiculous. I simply disagree on your final point, which I point out in the post just before yours.

    So now, most of the facilities will close. Okay...but I never saw where the Texas Legislators presented facts that in any way prove that there efforts were indeed creating a reduction in health risks for women who seek abortions.

    This will simply force women to seek out probably much more unsafe venues to deal with their abortions...just as they did before Roe v. Wade where access to provider who would be, by far, more safe than the alternative.

    Thanks, Tess.
    I agree.
    Closing all those clinics will put many more women who are desperate with no legal place to go and those women will probably end up at much more unsafe venues for their abortions.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Oh but I do know what is going to happen in
    Texas. The whole reason for my post. You refuse to see the obvious. Closing clinics will NOT stop abortions.
    Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

    If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

    Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

    So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

    The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

    Deal with it

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The point is, you have no idea if the clinics will close or not. Nobody has looked at the books or finances of Texas abortion clinics. All of this is based on abortion clinic owners saying "If you pass this, we can't afford it and will close".

    It's completely and total BS. Abortion is a BIG money game, and it will take a few bucks to meet regulations, but then they'll just keep on chucking. I suspect a lot of clinics will move into hospitals in order to meet the requirement.
    No they won't move into hospitals. Just going to an emergency room for one hour in a regular hospital can cost p to $5000...and that's for first aid services.

    Abortion clinics aren't a huge income producing, big profit business.

    Besides there would be too much legal red tape and funding issues for hospitals to create abortion centers.

    Remember, hospitals are going to get theirs one way or another and generally through people who have insurance. That's not going to be an option for most women who do have abortions. And government medicaid won't pay for abortions...UNLESS the woman's life verifiably is at stake.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

    If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

    Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

    So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

    The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

    Deal with it
    Please source information that provides us with the medical guidelines that current abortion centers will have to comply with in order to remain open.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

    If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it ....
    An Ambulatory Surgical Center would cost about one and a half million dollars to build.

    From this article:

    Abortion hardly has any complications, period.
    We’re not revenue generators for hospitals. We don’t bring business to the hospital as abortion providers," Miller said.

    Then there’s the provision of the bill that would require abortions to only be performed in facilities that meet the standards of an ambulatory surgical center,
    or ASC.

    Miller has one of the five ASC abortion clinics already up and running in Texas. I took a tour of the San Antonio facility in April. Once we got past the lobby, the facility looked much more like an emergency room than a doctor’s office –including the bright red line that divides the sterile surgical suites from the rest of the center.

    “And you see basically an operating room suite that looks like we’re doing brain surgery right. I mean, there’s giant lights on the wall. There’s a big operating room table. There’s a full anesthesia machine. This room is about three or four times the size of a procedure room that would be in an abortion facility," Miller said as we toured one of the clinic surgical suites.

    Miller said ASCs, with physical requirements including wide doorways, separate janitors’ closets, and environmental controls that keep rooms cold and blankets warmed to specific temperatures, were created for surgeries.

    “Abortion is a procedure. It’s not really a surgery. There’s not any incisions, there’s not any stitches.

    The procedure itself takes maybe five or 10 minutes.

    So it’s not like an operation that has multiple physicians where the patients knee is open or her belly is open for a sort of more invasive that this sort of ambulatory surgical center was really devised for," Miller said.


    And then there’s the cost. Miller said
    it would have cost her one and a half million dollars to build the center she leases in San Antonio.

    And it took her six years to find an ASC that was about to close its doors so she could come in and lease it.

    The facility costs her $40,000 more a month to operate than her other abortion clinics.

    She said if the abortion bill becomes law, the cost of upgrading abortion facilities will be too big and the number of clinics in Texas will drop from 42 to 5.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Listen up...NO ONE is closing Clinics

    If they have to update, to provide a safer service then so be it .

    Democrats are such Hypocrites and so blinded by their corrupt ideology, they don't even realize Obama is doing the same thing to Industrial Plants through the EPA for the " safety of our citizens."

    So, again youv'e provided only your opinion and given your political lean it's a pretty worthless one at that.

    The law was passed, over the objections and misinformarion of the left wing.

    Deal with it
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actually the 20 week abortion limit was struck down in 9 western states this May as too restrictive.
    The 20 week limit had already been struck in Idaho.

    One of the main reasons it was struck down is because these states did NOT allow for EXCEPTIONS in the cases of fetal or gentic deformaties.

    Tests cannot be performed until 18 to 20 weeks gestation and the 20 week cutoff would not allow woman to have abortions in those very sad cases. even if the fetus had NO chance of surviving after birth.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/us...urt.html?_r=1&
    Thanks for the update.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    No they won't move into hospitals. Just going to an emergency room for one hour in a regular hospital can cost p to $5000...and that's for first aid services.

    Abortion clinics aren't a huge income producing, big profit business.

    Besides there would be too much legal red tape and funding issues for hospitals to create abortion centers.

    Remember, hospitals are going to get theirs one way or another and generally through people who have insurance. That's not going to be an option for most women who do have abortions. And government medicaid won't pay for abortions...UNLESS the woman's life verifiably is at stake.
    That's absolutely not true. Most hospitals rent out offices to private doctors. For instance, any plastic surgeon either needs to meet the regulatory requirements in his private clinic, or rent office space from a place like a hospital that has those services on site. Abortion is no different. They now have more regulations, so they will have to either update their clinics, or move into a hospital.

    The plain fact of the matter is, the stat we keep hearing that "every abortion clinic in Texas except for 4 will close" is complete and utter nonsense. All they did was count the number of clinics that didn't currently meet the standard. They did no analysis of their books or financial situation whatsoever.

    Abortions are just going to get a little more expensive, but that comes with all government regulation. The left wanted more government regulation of health care, and here it is. Boo hoo, they brought it on themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    An Ambulatory Surgical Center would cost about one and a half million dollars to build.

    From this article:
    Good thing they don't have to. They can rent office space in a hospital that has it.

    Even better from your article, the person mentions she didn't have to buy her clinic, she's leasing it.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    It's not the regulation it's the fact that only 4 clinics in the entire state of Texas will not stop women from having abortions. It means we will be going back to illegal abortions which will be bad for women. Untrained and unqualified people performing abortions is a big step backward. But you already know this I am sure.

    So the other clinics are closing for no reason then?

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Please source
    information that provides us with the medical guidelines that current abortion centers will have to comply with in order to remain open.
    Yea I'll leave that up to you pro-abortion people to source.

    Because obviously the new law in Texas doesn't STOP abortions all together, since that would make it unconsitiutional.

    Abortion Clinics Cant afford it ? Boo Frickity Hoo..

    Maybe their supporters should send in donations to help them meet the new standards, or does your support stop at your wallet ?

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