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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    My gosh it went through! Any other states to follow suite?
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If what I've read is true, Texas simply joins 13 other states who have similar 20 week limits on access to abortion, although in a couple of those states, their courts have stopped implementation while the constitutionality of the laws are adjudicated.

    I don't know the medical details related to viability and when it becomes possible to determine if a fetus is developing normally and healthily, etc. but I have to agree with others here who have indicated that 20 weeks should be sufficient time for a woman to make a choice about whether she wants a child or not. Surely, it doesn't take more than 20 weeks to make such a choice.

    Can anyone who opposes this change in the law indicate what medically happens between 20 weeks and the former 24 weeks that makes a woman who wants a child to suddenly decide not to want the child?
    Actually the 20 week abortion limit was struck down in 9 western states this May as too restrictive.
    The 20 week limit had already been struck in Idaho.

    One of the main reasons it was struck down is because these states did NOT allow for EXCEPTIONS in the cases of fetal or gentic deformaties.

    Tests cannot be performed until 18 to 20 weeks gestation and the 20 week cutoff would not allow woman to have abortions in those very sad cases. even if the fetus had NO chance of surviving after birth.

    Published: May 21, 2013

    A federal appellate panel struck down Arizona’s abortion law on Tuesday, saying it was unconstitutional “under a long line of invariant Supreme Court precedents” that guarantee a woman’s right to end a pregnancy any time before a fetus is deemed viable outside her womb — generally at 24 weeks.

    The law, enacted in April 2012 despite vociferous protest by women’s and civil rights groups, made abortions illegal if performed 20 weeks after a woman’s last menstrual period, or roughly 18 weeks after fertilization, even if the woman learned that the fetus had no chance of surviving after birth. At 18 weeks, many fetal abnormalities can be detected through sonograms.

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    Arizona is one of 10 states to pass an abortion ban at 20 weeks, based on theory, rejected by many medical groups, that a fetus feels pain then. Many of those bans have not yet been challenged; Dan Pochoda, legal director of Arizona’s chapter of the A.C.L.U., called the ruling “the strongest and most definitive” so far on recent laws placing restrictive limits on abortions.
    The decision applies to Arizona and the eight other Western states under the Ninth Circuit’s jurisdiction, including Idaho, where similar legislation had already been deemed unconstitutional.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    The rights of people to control their bodies takes a step back.
    No, the right to own someone else's body and kill them at will got narrowly limited; but that's progress and I'll certainly take it.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    There were abortions before it was legal and there will still be no matter what laws are passed. If you think abortion is an ugly issue now, you need to look into how it used to be.


    That argument is.... fail. The fact that people break the law is not an argument against laws, any more than the fact that people commit rape means that we should legalize rape in order to reduce the violence associated with it.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Unfortunately limiting the number of clinics to 4 will have a disasterous effect on abortions in Texas putting back room abortions all over the state.
    What I just said to Mal.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Realistically. The bill created with a 20 week limit was a smoke screen. It was for the very reason you stated.

    Texas legislators, in order to avoid confrontations from federal courts, so as to not battle provisions related to the "viability decision" in Roe v. Wade. They took the coward's way to construct the bill. The legislators imposed such stringent restrictions on medical providers and facilities, which would be very difficult to meet such standards that most all facilities will no longer be able to operate.

    Texas legislators are chicken****s and moral fascists. They are balless control freaks who aren't just after reducing women's rights over their reproductive roles, but to also significantly degrade their rights to self-determination. They believe women should be subservient to men.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

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    Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions | Fox News

    The hotly contested bill appears to have passed in the Texas state senate and is being sent to the governor's desk. It appears that we've inched a little bit closer to progressing as a nation.
    More like we slid back into the awful past.
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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    More like we slid back into the awful past.
    Treating human beings like owned property to be killed on their master's whim is sliding into the awful past; laws like this help progress us beyond that archaic nonsense.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
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    Well, PG...as a native Texan, I have no intention of leaving, if for no other reason to annoy the hell out of the moral fascists in Texas.

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    Re: Texas Senate passes sweeping new abortion restrictions

    My one question for the law would be if it includes something like Virginia tried and Wisconsin has, that has the government mandating medical procedures be performed prior to an abortion (ie the transvaginal ultrasound)?

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