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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It applies to companies with 50 or more full-time employees -- defined as 30 hours per week.
    Thanks for the clarification Maggie - perhaps then they are concerned that their work week will be redefined below 30 hours. Certainly, for those businesses that currently have less than 50 full-time employees, they will not be hiring more full-time employees to push above the 50 number - it's why the past few jobs reports have shown a drastic increase in part-time hires.
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    People familiar with low end employment understand that restricting hours to avoid benefits has been going on for a hell of a lot longer than the ACA or even obama's political history. The ACA did not make that happen. The overwhelming pool of workers in comparison to the amount of worker hours needed by a company did that. I remember having trouble with that sort of thing back int he early 90's and it was pretty much SOP back then. being from Canada you may not be aware of how employment works in america.
    I can appreciate that - it's only natural that businesses will do anything they can to reduce costs while still attracting both customers and employees. In a time when the US and the world is recovering from a severe financial hit and economies are struggling, usually governments don't do things to even further exacerbate those problems. Regardless of what you think of Obamacare, passing it in the midst of a lingering recession was foolish, but then there's no great time to radically impact an economy.
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Enjoying socialist healthcare john? Maybe you should try our republaromney care?
    - you're a one-trick pony just like your hero.

    Keep misrepresenting our healthcare by referring to it as socialist, not understanding anything about it or all its aspects, and you'll never have anything close to it and you'll continue to be stuck with the horse's ass you've got.

    You must be proud - as a liberal in Chicago, you're particularly responsible for the Obamacare monstrosity - congrats!!
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    - you're a one-trick pony just like your hero.

    Keep misrepresenting our healthcare by referring to it as socialist, not understanding anything about it or all its aspects, and you'll never have anything close to it and you'll continue to be stuck with the horse's ass you've got.

    You must be proud - as a liberal in Chicago, you're particularly responsible for the Obamacare monstrosity - congrats!!
    I LIKE the Canadian healthcare system. I think Obama wanted something like that when he first proposed it. He got backstabbed by his own party when key Congressmen refused to support it and demanded Big Pharma, Insurance, and the AMA develop the plan. Obama should never have accepted this, and let the idea die rather than push a boondoggle he never wanted simply to save face on his promise.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    this was happening long before the ACA. Companies often hire their low end workers PT or through contracts to avoid benefits they established for full time workers. There are some of those benefits required by law, and others that were self imposed by business to keep their higher end employees. plus it does give managers more flexibility to have a larger pool of part time employees to call upon for emergencies. The ACA may have slightly increased the problem, but it was very prevalent long before the ACA came into existence. That is a lie being told to you by corporate america and the insurance companies.
    It isnt a lie they are telling us, we are seeing it happen. Granted it has always been an issue, I am not going to even try and say that it wasnt, but the ACA is putting the problem into over drive and speeding it along at a much faster pace.
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Something needs to be done about insurance companies, or to get them completely out of the mix. That was a huge thing at the beginning of Obama's first term. unfortunately he has no spine, and he had to pass something no matter how much it did not work to prove he had a legacy. He was not willing to go to bat for his own ideas of government health care, so he let the republicans do with the idea what they wanted to which was this crazy stuff that doesn't work. given obama is pretty much a republican stooge it is not surprising to find the bait and switch is a huge part of his administration. He got it passed and he could say he got something passed. he also guaranteed his insurance company masters that they would stay in business and get a lot of new customers.
    Republicans had nothing to with the ACA...that was all the Democrats baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Nothing considering it is actually within the executive's power to decide how to implement the law. he is not the first or the last one that will do these things. Again, bitching about obama is avoiding the problem which would be in this case that the executive has this power. of course, i am not really sure what you want done because giving congress the power to administer the executive branch would screw things up much worse. Congress makes the laws, the president enforces, and the judicial interprets. This is US government 101. Since the executive gets to enforce the laws they also get to decide how they are enforced. If this bothers you then you need to work on changing the fundamentals of the constitution, and probably physics as there are finite resources you can apply to enforcement.
    It is within the Exec. power to decide how, NOT when according to the law. The law gives X date to start X program...the Exec. branch does not have the power to change the laws passed by Congress. The Constitution says the President shall enforce the law not hand out exemptions to the law because they dont have their stuff together.
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I LIKE the Canadian healthcare system. I think Obama wanted something like that when he first proposed it. He got backstabbed by his own party when key Congressmen refused to support it and demanded Big Pharma, Insurance, and the AMA develop the plan. Obama should never have accepted this, and let the idea die rather than push a boondoggle he never wanted simply to save face on his promise.
    Thats funny...most Canadians I have had the pleasure to speak with on forums like this hate the Canadian HC system.
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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Union Bosses Say ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans | Fox News Insider

    Now even the Unions that once supported Obamacare are decrying how bad it is.



    Now they get it. You couldn't have clued in, oh, say, 12 months ago?

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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or how. Apparently the 40 hour work week is being destroyed. Because that didn't happen already.
    It is an overstatement however Obamacare does excuse companies from providing health insurance for part time employees. Many companies are turning jobs that were formerly full time into part time jobs so the government will pay for the health insurance.

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    Re: Union Bosses: 'ObamaCare Will Destroy Health of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Thats funny...most Canadians I have had the pleasure to speak with on forums like this hate the Canadian HC system.
    That's funny, most of the canadians I've had the pleasure of meeting and speaking to in person LIKE their health care system. Your point?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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