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Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

You could apply that to probably about every political leader ever.

That is true to a point until you look at the actual results and still the support Obama has. No reasonable person can look at Obama's results and claim he is doing a good job and deserves to be where he is. There is nothing he has done that has led to the surplus that people here are giving him credit for
 
You don't know what the difference is between a
budget surplus/deficit and the national debt.

You know, its those on the right that know the difference all too well.

Well enough to know you people are fooling yourself.

Go ahead, celebrate the "surplus" and Fannie's new "profits".

Just remember you have to ignore the rising debt and Fannie's 5 TRILLION in crap mortgages or Mortgage Backed Securites backed by Crap mortgages.
 
actually for the Obama haters, and there are quite a few I'm afraid on these threads, there are no limits ... my one consolation is that I know it drives them up a wall that he's President ... some of these folks have not had a good night's sleep since November 2008 ... that makes me happy ... haters shouldn't sleep well ...

What drives people up the wall are the results generated, results matter. Still waiting for the economic policies, foreign policies that Obama has implemented that has led to anything positive? It is easy for people like you to try and make it personal, there is nothing personal here, only results that don't match the rhetoric or the support. What is it about Obama that generates this kind of loyalty where so many buy the rhetoric and ignore the results?
 
You don't know what the difference is between a budget surplus/deficit and the national debt.

Of course I do. But notice how you go on the attack without thinking? I did the same type thing that whoever wrote that silly article about a "surplus" did. Except what I did is much, much , much closer to the truth. Everybody all across America can write the same type surplus nonsense every time they get paid if they wanted to. One or two months out of 12 and all of a sudden its a surplus? LOL.
 
What is it about Republicans ( I don't really care what you call yourselves, you are supporting the GOP ) that causes them to think that their obstructive behaviour in Congress and various state legislatures doesn't have more to do with the slow economic recovery?

President Obama has proposed many policies and actions which in the past were actually put forth by Republicans, despite the fact that many progressives and economists opposed those policies and actions. Yet, the GOP has become little more than a reflexive rock in the middle of the road. A party with little care for the citizens of the nation, a party with a very effective noise machine, a noise machine which sells ideas and actions causing harm to many Americans yet which many of those same Americans being harmed believe it is only those "others" who will be affected.

Better results could have been generated if teh GOP had not decided on Day One of President's Obama's first term to do nothing which might aid him in carrying out his duties. Basically, the leaders of the GOP and the financiers behind the 'leaders' said - Regaining control is more important that helping the vast majority of Americans.
 
What drives people up the wall are the results generated, results matter. Still waiting for the economic policies, foreign policies that Obama has implemented that has led to anything positive? It is easy for people like you to try and make it personal, there is nothing personal here, only results that don't match the rhetoric or the support. What is it about Obama that generates this kind of loyalty where so many buy the rhetoric and ignore the results?

this is a good example of what I was talking about ... btw, I'm not at all crazy about Obama, but less crazy about the way cons went after the big-reared guy before he even took his first breath ... you guys shoot yourselves in the foot going after him for everything ... it's like the boy who cried wolf ... after a while, no one listens to you ...

check this out ... Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly
Obama's Achievements Center
 
What drives people up the wall are the results generated, results matter. Still waiting for the economic policies, foreign policies that Obama has implemented that has led to anything positive? It is easy for people like you to try and make it personal, there is nothing personal here, only results that don't match the rhetoric or the support. What is it about Obama that generates this kind of loyalty where so many buy the rhetoric and ignore the results?

this is a good example of what I was talking about ... btw, I'm not at all crazy about Obama, but less crazy about the way cons went after the big-eared guy before he even took his first breath in office ... you guys shoot yourselves in the foot going after him for everything ... it's like the boy who cried wolf ... after a while, no one listens to you ...

check this out ... Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly
Obama's Achievements Center
 
What is it about Republicans ( I don't really care what you call yourselves, you are supporting the GOP ) that causes them to think that their obstructive behaviour in Congress and various state legislatures doesn't have more to do with the slow economic recovery?

President Obama has proposed many policies and actions which in the past were actually put forth by Republicans, despite the fact that many progressives and economists opposed those policies and actions. Yet, the GOP has become little more than a reflexive rock in the middle of the road. A party with little care for the citizens of the nation, a party with a very effective noise machine, a noise machine which sells ideas and actions causing harm to many Americans yet which many of those same Americans being harmed believe it is only those "others" who will be affected.

Better results could have been generated if teh GOP had not decided on Day One of President's Obama's first term to do nothing which might aid him in carrying out his duties. Basically, the leaders of the GOP and the financiers behind the 'leaders' said - Regaining control is more important that helping the vast majority of Americans.

And when Republicans are back in control, Dems will do that same thing. Why exactly do you think Obama and the Senate blocks every conservative idea?
 
this is a good example of what I was talking about ... btw, I'm not at all crazy about Obama, but less crazy about the way cons went after the big-eared guy before he even took his first breath in office ... you guys shoot yourselves in the foot going after him for everything ... it's like the boy who cried wolf ... after a while, no one listens to you ...

check this out ... Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly
Obama's Achievements Center

Calling Obama big eared is racist.
 
That's because this isn't actually a "real time debt clock."

Sure there is, click the link at it stares you right in the face. It's just not official from the us government because they don't like the way things like that make them look. With just a little more effort though a person could go to the us treasury web site and get the numbers. It also shows the "surplus" is a line only liberal would spread because it's just not accurate. The treasury report shows the deficit on 2 Jan 2013 at 16,432,705,914,255.48 and on 11 Jul 2013 (last date available) 16,738,230,684,008.83. Ain't no surplus anywhere in all that debt. Of course it's really going to skyrocket when the full effects of Obamacare hit us but the liberals didn't want to talk about that truthfully when the law was being written and they won't talk about it truthfully now.
 
this is a good example of what I was talking about ... btw, I'm not at all crazy about Obama, but less crazy about the way cons went after the big-eared guy before he even took his first breath in office ... you guys shoot yourselves in the foot going after him for everything ... it's like the boy who cried wolf ... after a while, no one listens to you ...

check this out ... Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly
Obama's Achievements Center

The top 50 is pretty horrible. I have seen that article before. Listing the Affordable Care Act as #1 is also pretty horrible.
 
this is a good example of what I was talking about ... btw, I'm not at all crazy about Obama, but less crazy about the way cons went after the big-reared guy before he even took his first breath ... you guys shoot yourselves in the foot going after him for everything ... it's like the boy who cried wolf ... after a while, no one listens to you ...

check this out ... Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly
Obama's Achievements Center

Let me remind you, Obama took office during a recession and today four years after the end of the recession there are still 2 million fewer employed than when the recession began, the debt has risen 6.2 trillion, economic growth is 1.8%, over 21 million Americans are unemployed/under employed/discouraged, 1 in 3 Americans are on some form of taxpayer assisted welfare, there are record numbers of Americans on disability. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

Affordable care act? Have you checked how that one is working. Stimulus Plan, how did that work out in light of the actual results. War in Iraq ended due to the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush. I could go on but it isn't going to register with an Obama supporter
 
The top 50 is pretty horrible. I have seen that article before. Listing the Affordable Care Act as #1 is also pretty horrible.

I trust you know that I expected this response ... too predictable, but it's worth the laugh ...
 
Let me remind you, Obama took office during a recession and today four years after the end of the recession there are still 2 million fewer employed than when the recession began, the debt has risen 6.2 trillion, economic growth is 1.8%, over 21 million Americans are unemployed/under employed/discouraged, 1 in 3 Americans are on some form of taxpayer assisted welfare, there are record numbers of Americans on disability. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

Affordable care act? Have you checked how that one is working. Stimulus Plan, how did that work out in light of the actual results. War in Iraq ended due to the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush. I could go on but it isn't going to register with an Obama supporter

same stuff, nothing much here ... moving on ... have a good one ...
 
Let me remind you, Obama took office during a recession and today four years after the end of the recession there are still 2 million fewer employed than when the recession began, the debt has risen 6.2 trillion, economic growth is 1.8%, over 21 million Americans are unemployed/under employed/discouraged, 1 in 3 Americans are on some form of taxpayer assisted welfare, there are record numbers of Americans on disability. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

Affordable care act? Have you checked how that one is working. Stimulus Plan, how did that work out in light of the actual results. War in Iraq ended due to the Status of Forces agreement signed by Bush. I could go on but it isn't going to register with an Obama supporter

But who cares about all that? Its just talking points. The topic is about the deficit, which both congress and the President have chosen to do little about. Obama submits budgets with trillion dollar deficits and signs spending bill after spending bill, and take little action to control spending with the executive branch. Congress cant pass a budget, and also proposes deficits with trillions more in debt, not to mention spending more and more and running govt off continuing appropriations instead of actual budgeting.

Nothing is going to change, and a partisan list of accomplishments is meaningless. Everyone from the top down needs to be fired.
 
Sure there is, click the link at it stares you right in the face. It's just not official from the us government because they don't like the way things like that make them look. With just a little more effort though a person could go to the us treasury web site and get the numbers. It also shows the "surplus" is a line only liberal would spread because it's just not accurate. The treasury report shows the deficit on 2 Jan 2013 at 16,432,705,914,255.48 and on 11 Jul 2013 (last date available) 16,738,230,684,008.83. Ain't no surplus anywhere in all that debt. Of course it's really going to skyrocket when the full effects of Obamacare hit us but the liberals didn't want to talk about that truthfully when the law was being written and they won't talk about it truthfully now.

Those numbers you see constantly spinning aren't from a live connection to every Federal agency's moment-to-moment spending. That information doesn't exist to draw from. You said it yourself, the last date available was the 11th. The numbers are keyed to a starting point and then the website just mathematically extrapolates them. Based on what?

Estimates from earlier in the year.
 
But who cares about all that? Its just talking points. The topic is about the deficit, which both congress and the President have chosen to do little about. Obama submits budgets with trillion dollar deficits and signs spending bill after spending bill, and take little action to control spending with the executive branch. Congress cant pass a budget, and also proposes deficits with trillions more in debt, not to mention spending more and more and running govt off continuing appropriations instead of actual budgeting.

Nothing is going to change, and a partisan list of accomplishments is meaningless. Everyone from the top down needs to be fired.

It is times like these that we need leadership not an American Idol President. We got leadership during the 80's with Reagan but aren't getting that leadership now when we need it most. Obama would rather take vacations and play golf vs. doing his job of getting Democrats and Republicans together to do their jobs. Nothing is going to change as long as we have someone in the WH who doesn't understand leadership and is nothing more tha a community agitator.
 
same stuff, nothing much here ... moving on ... have a good one ...

You see, therein lies the problem, results don't matter to you and the question is why? Do you have any idea what leadership is and the responsibilities of leadership? Do you really think that the list that you posted are POSITIVE accomplishments? Why doesn't unemployed/debt/gdp growth bother you? Do you really have such low expectations in our leaders?
 
It is times like these that we need leadership not an American Idol President. We got leadership during the 80's with Reagan but aren't getting that leadership now when we need it most. Obama would rather take vacations and play golf vs. doing his job of getting Democrats and Republicans together to do their jobs. Nothing is going to change as long as we have someone in the WH who doesn't understand leadership and is nothing more tha a community agitator.

I dont think his job is to get people together. Its to execute the law, and deal with foreign affairs. OUR job is to get people to work together, or get people in there who will.
 
Those numbers you see constantly spinning aren't from a live connection to every Federal agency's moment-to-moment spending. That information doesn't exist to draw from. You said it yourself, the last date available was the 11th. The numbers are keyed to a starting point and then the website just mathematically extrapolates them. Based on what?

Estimates from earlier in the year.

Sometimes things are almost too much. Noticing a little irony with the quote you have from whoever Neil DeGrasse Tyson is about his trusting belief of aliens without a shed of credible evidence, yet estimates taken from established federal debt patterns are to be view with doubt?
 
I dont think his job is to get people together. Its to execute the law, and deal with foreign affairs. OUR job is to get people to work together, or get people in there who will.

Who is "OUR"? Too many people have no concept of leadership and that is the problem today. Obama was hired to fix the problem not to be a figure head. He has failed as his resume showed he would. He lacked any leadership experience and executive experience acting instead like a King, "do as I say" and that isn't the way our govt. works. He is a community agitator and that shows up daily.
 
So was the article you posted.

Seems that anything Obama tells these people he has done it automatically accepted as an accomplishment when the reality is most of what has been posted here is either hasn't been implemented yet, is a total failure, or was done as a result of work done by the previous administration. Would love to know how anyone can call healthcare reform, the stimulus, saving the unions with taxpayer money, recapitalizing the banks thus rewarding bad behavior, implementing the Status of Forces Agreement, claims of saving the auto industry, and all the other partisan "accomplishments" a success?
 
Sometimes things are almost too much. Noticing a little irony with the quote you have from whoever Neil DeGrasse Tyson is about his trusting belief of aliens without a shed of credible evidence, yet estimates taken from established federal debt patterns are to be view with doubt?

First off, that quote is in a much larger context. Neil was saying that the material that makes up life is so abundant in such a vast universe, that it's basically a statistical certainty that some form of life exists out there somewhere. He was saying for us to believe that we're some super special, magical occurrence when we're made of literally the most common stuff in the universe is egocentric.

And you're now grossly extrapolating what I was saying. I didn't say their numbers were bad, or wrong. They are projections, and projections can be wrong when unexpected things crop up. For example, a large lump sum payment from bank settlements might not have been reflected in those projections, throwing off the numbers for June.

Do you get it now? It's not a live feed. That's it. That's my criticism.
 
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