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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    If our experiment in self rule is nearly at an end, should we not we expand, improve, and uphold it? Failure to do would mean the fall of America itself. In addition, extended periods of war always result in economic recession, decisive defeat, increased dictatorial and tyrannical mindsets from rulers, or worse.

    It happened to the Romans, it happened to all of the Colonial powers including England, it happened to the Soviets, and now it's happening to us.

    Furthermore, many wars in which nations attempt occupation of other states and face enemies using irregular tactics and strategies eventually lead to the victory of the defenders. Again, Rome. Before that, the Wu-Chu war where Sun Tzu practiced his genius. The American Revolution. The little-known Peninsular War primarily between France and Spain where the term "guerrilla"was actually coined. Vietnam, of course. The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

    Point is, we are involved in two wars in which we are up against irregular fighters and have no decisive victory goals. To maintain public support, our leaders are hilariously and hypocritically fighting the "War on Terror" while causing far more fear, uncertainty, and doubt than existed before their new authoritarian policies were put into place. In fact, a recent poll has shown that Americans now fear their own government more than terrorism.

    This is a perfect storm, a perfect storm for the collapse of an empire. Of course, people are just going to sit back, let it happen, then find that it is far too late to do anything about it. The government has conditioned us to do so.
    You'd have thought we would have learned from history, or at least from our own experience in Vietnam, but no, we're still trying to be the world cop.

    And when the American "empire" collapses, who will take over as world "superpower?"
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We all control our own destiny to a degree. We make our own decisions, then the results of those decisions determine what happens to us.
    But, is it only "liberal" politicians who think we need them to protect us from ourselves? It seems to me that there are authoritarians on both sides of the aisles, each with different goals, but neither with the goal of individual self determination.
    Obama and Democrats since 2007 have put programs designed for "helping" individuals on steroids such as expansion of unemployment benefits to over two years, Obamacare, expansion of food stamps and other welfare programs.

    I agree that Republicans have contributed with programs such as TARP but you don't see Republicans promoting expansion of welfare programs and other anti growth programs.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

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    Obama and Democrats since 2007 have put programs designed for "helping" individuals on steroids such as expansion of unemployment benefits to over two years, Obamacare, expansion of food stamps and other welfare programs.

    I agree that Republicans have contributed with programs such as TARP but you don't see Republicans promoting expansion of welfare programs and other anti growth programs.
    Medicare part D?

    It's the so called "social conservatives" who seem to want to save us from ourselves.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Medicare part D?

    It's the so called "social conservatives" who seem to want to save us from ourselves.
    Yes, but Medicare Part D was half the cost of what Democrats wanted and actually put market based incentives into the program.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama and Democrats since 2007 have put programs designed for "helping" individuals on steroids such as expansion of unemployment benefits to over two years, Obamacare, expansion of food stamps and other welfare programs.

    I agree that Republicans have contributed with programs such as TARP but you don't see Republicans promoting expansion of welfare programs and other anti growth programs.
    "Anti-growth" programs.

    I suppose another dozen fighter jets would help us grow more?
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, but Medicare Part D was half the cost of what Democrats wanted and actually put market based incentives into the program.
    So it wasnt as bad as it could have been?

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You'd have thought we would have learned from history, or at least from our own experience in Vietnam, but no, we're still trying to be the world cop.

    And when the American "empire" collapses, who will take over as world "superpower?"
    China, of course. They're already setting themselves up to be less reliant on the dollar. They've already got Australia on board and will be trading between the Australian dollar and the yuan by sometime next year.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Anti-growth" programs.

    I suppose another dozen fighter jets would help us grow more?
    You have no idea the amount of industry involved in the manufacture of a dozen fighter jets do you?

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    You have no idea the amount of industry involved in the manufacture of a dozen fighter jets do you?
    Let's see... make a dozen fighter jets, that creates jobs for sure. They are jobs paid for by the taxpayer, but, then, they are jobs.
    Then give those fighter jets away, and build some more

    or...

    build a dozen new bridges, and you've also created jobs.

    and, once they're built, we have new bridges to replace the ones that were built half a century or more ago and are ready to be replaced.

    but, you can't give the bridges away to Egypt, now can you? We just have to use them ourselves.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You'd have thought we would have learned from history, or at least from our own experience in Vietnam, but no, we're still trying to be the world cop.

    And when the American "empire" collapses, who will take over as world "superpower?"
    America will not end because of external wars. It will end because we elected dishonorable people who would plunder our neighbors on our behalf. We are collapsing from the inside. The enemy are all traitors within.

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