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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There are no responsibilities of leadership. The founders never instead the President to be the leader of the country. The President is not supposed to have an economic agenda. Hes a single point decision make for military and foreign policy. Read the constitution. THe congresses powers are many, the President powers are few.
    On the contrary, Article II, Section 3 gives the President substantial power. In part, it states, "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient..."

    In short, the Constitution gives the President broad authority to "recommend" domestic policy initiatives, including but not limited to economic policy, to the Congress. That the President can suggest economic policy and can have an economic agenda is fully constitutional. That some ideas might run into constitutional barriers is entirely a different matter.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

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    It is times like these that we need leadership not an American Idol President. We got leadership during the 80's with Reagan but aren't getting that leadership now when we need it most. Obama would rather take vacations and play golf vs. doing his job of getting Democrats and Republicans together to do their jobs. Nothing is going to change as long as we have someone in the WH who doesn't understand leadership and is nothing more tha a community agitator.
    A real leader would no doubt raise money by selling arms to the Iranians.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wow, what kind of response and logic is that? You really don't understand leadership at all. I posted a link here to a very good explanation of leadership, suggest you find it and read it. We do not have a true democracy, we have a representative democracy and with a representative democracy we elect leaders. The President is indeed the leader of the country and it is the President's agenda which is the starting point for debate and when the President's party is in charge of Congress that agenda becomes the Congressional agenda which is what you are seeing right now.
    We have CONSTITUTIONAL republic, and the constitution lays out the responsibilities of the various branches. THe legislative branch makes policy, the President executes it. The reality now of having a celebrity president who acts like a king is exactly the problem that needs to be reversed.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    On the contrary, Article II, Section 3 gives the President substantial power. In part, it states, "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient..."

    In short, the Constitution gives the President broad authority to "recommend" domestic policy initiatives, including but not limited to economic policy, to the Congress. That the President can suggest economic policy and can have an economic agenda is fully constitutional. That some ideas might run into constitutional barriers is entirely a different matter.
    Reccomending stuff is power how? Anyone can do that. YOU can do that. He cant actually do anything becuase the power to do stuff is with congress.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Reccomending stuff is power how? Anyone can do that. YOU can do that. He cant actually do anything becuase the power to do stuff is with congress.
    How is it then that every bad thing that happens is the fault of the president (according to his opponents), and every good thing that happens is also because of the president (according to his supporters)?
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A real leader would no doubt raise money by selling arms to the Iranians.
    Has that ever happened?

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A real leader would no doubt raise money by selling arms to the Iranians.
    Aw, yes, more diversion. Is that the best you can do? Seems you and others cannot stay in the present and blame the economic conditions today all on the past with no responsibility going to the current President. How typical.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Has that ever happened?
    I seem to remember reading about such a thing many years ago, something about hostages and a civil war in Nicaragua or somewhere like that, but that was a long, long time ago and has nothing to do with the present time.

    When applying history to the present, legends are what count, not dry old dull facts and reality.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, yes, more diversion. Is that the best you can do? Seems you and others cannot stay in the present and blame the economic conditions today all on the past with no responsibility going to the current President. How typical.
    You started it.

    actually, I agree that we have a lack of leadership, but when the name of the legendary demigod is mentioned, I just have this Pavlovian response that compels me to bring up the actual history of his presidency.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    We have CONSTITUTIONAL republic, and the constitution lays out the responsibilities of the various branches. THe legislative branch makes policy, the President executes it. The reality now of having a celebrity president who acts like a king is exactly the problem that needs to be reversed.
    You really have no idea what you are talking about if you believe that the President of the United States doesn't dictate the legislative agenda to the Congress. you seem very nave and gullible. We do have a celebrity President right now who acts like a king ruling by executive order.

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