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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    You maybe right that the black turnout will not be as high if the candidate was any other candidate but Hilary. We love the Clintons. If Obama didn't run I think Hilary would have still won because of the woman's vote.

    A little advice to the GOP. If you want to dilute the black vote, stop ***king around with voting rights. We still have a bitter taste in our mouth from the 50s and that is a very sensitive subject. Honestly, I think that is what hurt you guys in the 2012 election. It was a self inflicted womb because you fire up the base.

    Personally I am still shock that you guys are messing with women's right when you know the democrats are putting up the first woman presidential nominee in 2016 who is a very strong candidate. If Hilary is the democratic candidate, then you guys are going to destroyed with the women vote.
    without a black candidate, turnout might have been lower in 2016, but voter suppression laws will keep turnout high, and those who vote in 2016, will vote, as they have historically, in the high 80s or low 90s for whomever the Dem candidate is (black, white, green, or blue -- and if Cruz and Rubio are on the GOP ticket, Latinos will vote in even greater numbers for the Dems). BTW, can we assume that the Dem candidate will not be black or Latino, if it's not Hillary? Remember, Obama came out of no where pretty much ...

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Then why does the right-wing have a persistent bearish mentality beginning with the election of Barrack Obama in 2008? The economy is obviously stronger than it was when the man went into office.
    Obvious to you, perhaps. I can't tell the difference but I'm a small businessman, not a corporate giant.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That wouldn't really explain why "household budgets" are so different from government budgets since some households DO have a guaranteed income
    Which?

    and the government's revenue is NOT fixed.
    No but it is there, unlike the average Joe who can loose his job and then have no income what so ever.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    without a black candidate, turnout might have been lower in 2016, but voter suppression laws will keep turnout high, and those who vote in 2016, will vote, as they have historically, in the high 80s or low 90s for whomever the Dem candidate is (black, white, green, or blue -- and if Cruz and Rubio are on the GOP ticket, Latinos will vote in even greater numbers for the Dems). BTW, can we assume that the Dem candidate will not be black or Latino, if it's not Hillary? Remember, Obama came out of no where pretty much ...
    Obama isn't black, either.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Then why does the right-wing have a persistent bearish mentality beginning with the election of Barrack Obama in 2008? The economy is obviously stronger than it was when the man went into office.
    "Stronger than when he went in office", isn't saying much
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Which?



    No but it is there, unlike the average Joe who can loose his job and then have no income what so ever.
    Not all households are "Average Joe" households. The threat of job loss is no different for a household than the threat of recession is for a nation. In fact, a job loss can be a lot easier to fix than a recession and the loss of income can be, proportionally, a lot less because of that. No, you've got to find other reasons to disassociate a "household budget" with a government budget if you want to assert there is no analogy that is meaningful.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Wait for a trend if you want to have a solid argument about that. One month isn't a trend and cutting the deficit in half still leaves us with a huge deficit.
    Some fun analysis!

    U.S. budget deficits since Obama has been in office (giving him all of January, 2009) in millions of dollars:

    2009 $1,471,297
    2010 1,240,497
    2011 1,249,569
    2012 1,060,756
    2013* 216,528*

    * denotes January through June

    Now. If we are to weight the first 6 months of the year throughout Obama's tenure, they would constitute 51% of the January-December budget deficit.

    Applying this estimation for the remaining 6 months of 2013 (49%), the U.S. budget projects to be $424,565 million. A 71% decrease since Obama has been in office.

    The data used for the calculations can be obtained here.
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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama isn't black, either.
    according to how we've constructed race in this country, he is ... for most of our history one drop has been enough ... Have you seen photos of Homer Plessey (Plessey v. Ferguson, 1896)? You'd assume he was white, yet that case gave constitutional cover to racial segregation until 1954.

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I don't think the "woman vote" is a big deal, either. Those fire-breathing feminazis that would vote based on gender are already hardcore democrats. I doubt any woman that would otherwise vote "republican" would be swayed by a female democrat. Republican woman are either pro-lifers or at the very least apathetic to the whole "women's rights" schtick. There's not that much upside due to that, in my opinion. Women who "feel oppressed" and would vote for a woman president based on the fact that she's a woman - and vote cross-party to do it..... not many of those, I think.

    Then you have to deal with the fact that misogyny is absolutely not a "white thing" and democrats may find they'll lose votes from other races because of those individuals that would never vote for a woman. I have a hunch there are some of those in the black and hispanic communities; having lived in both.

    fire-breathing feminazis....Sorry I had to laugh at that one because it reminded me of the show married with children. For some reason I vision you being like Al Bundy

    nomaam.jpg

    Now all kidding aside, I don't think you guys can afford to underestimate the woman's vote. You mentioned the republican women not crossing party lines but you forgot about the independent woman vote. All I'm saying is why chance it?

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    Re: Surprise! Huge US Budget Surplus Shatters Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes yes of-course.

    It's the twisted reality of modern day liberal driven Fiscal rationalization.

    Any news no matter how contrived is good news.
    WTF are you talking about? It is simply fact! Accumulated deficits are only a subset of debt.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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