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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Indeed. Who gives a flying @(#(#$ what the law is? And why in the world should an Attorney General enforce it, anyway?!?

    Executive nullification is something ya'll are delighting in now. It's going to piss you off in 4 years when the next Republican president directs the IRS to no longer enforce the Corporate Tax.
    factually not happening, try reading this thread or any of the articles and educated yourself on ythis topic before your make dishonest, partisan, kneejerk failed assumptions
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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    1.)What an ass. She refuses to defend the law because she disagrees.
    2.)What about the voters and people of the state she's essentially refusing to legally protect?
    3.) What an unjust action.
    4.) She needs to represent the laws of the state in an unbiased manner, not interject her own morals and political beliefs into what she chooses.
    5.) If she can't handle that she needs to resign.
    1.)more kneejerk, biased reactioins
    2.) they will be fine if anybody cares to actually read the articles or this thread
    3.) per the law, her oath and her rules of office theres nothing unjust about it
    4.) she is and thats NOT what she is doing
    5.) she handled it perfectly with in the rules of the law, job duties and her oath


    does anybody who is bothered by this actually reading the articles or knows what is actually going on or even knows the laws, her duties and her oath? certainly doesnt seem like it, seems like people want to just ignore the facts.
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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    I see this as nothing more than prosecutorial discretion. I'm not the biggest fan of prosecutorial discretion and how I've seen it used, but it's a long-standing tradition.

    I'd be okay with any resident of the state who can clearly demonstrate how the absence of the ban causes them actual harm -- not emotional distress, not offense, but real measurable harm -- being allowed to get together to defend the law.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    One more time for the people that choose to ingore the facts from this thread and the articles.

    the law says
    attorney general may allow lawyers for the governor's office or executive-branch agencies to defend a lawsuit if it is more efficient or in the state's best interests.
    the oath says:
    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, obey and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity."
    she says:
    "I cannot ethically defend the constitutionality of Pennsylvania's version of DOMA, (law banning same-sex marriage), where I believe it to be wholly unconstitutional," Kathleen Kane told reporters at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia on Thursday
    NOW what is ACTUALLY happening:
    The American Civil Liberties Union filed the first known legal challenge to Pennsylvania’s Defense of Marriage Act in Harrisburg earlier this week, naming Corbett, Kane and three other state officials as defendants. The suit argues that Pennsylvania’s law violates a fundamental right to marry and also goes against the Constitution’s equal protection clause.
    Since Kane has declined to defend the law, the responsibility falls to Tom Corbett(former AG) to decide what to do. Pennsylvania General Counsel stated Thursday afternoon that Corbett’s office or a legal team of his staff “will continue to review the lawsuit"
    you can disagree with her position all day long but she broke no laws nor did she violate her oath and she has totally fulfilled her job duties, there is zero logical support to think otherwise.
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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    It's the leftist way. Don't follow laws you don't like.

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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    It's the leftist way. Don't follow laws you don't like.
    I can't even count the number of times I've heard right-leaning people bitch and moan about legislators who don't abide by, much less defend, the Constitution. Now we've got a prosecutor refusing to, in her opinion, violate her oath to defend the Constitution, and she isn't doing her job or is obeying the leftist path?

    Could you guys make up your freaking minds, please?
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    the bolded
    1.) 100% false
    2.) again 100% false

    the LAW, rules of her office and her oath all disagree with you
    Help me out with what part is false.

    1) She was hired to do a job. TRUE
    2) Her job is to uphold an defend the laws of the state, being that she is the state attourney. TRUE
    3) She isn't upholding the law because she has choosen not to defend the state in the law suit. TRUE
    4) She should step down. This is my opinion. People who aren't doing their jobs shouldn't have that job. Opinion, neither true or false.
    5) She is doing the right thing by not defending the state. Opinion again...neither true or false.
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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Help me out with what part is false.

    1) She was hired to do a job. TRUE
    2) Her job is to uphold an defend the laws of the state, being that she is the state attourney. TRUE
    3)A She isn't upholding the law because she has choosen not to defend the state in the law suit. TRUE
    4) She should step down. This is my opinion. People who aren't doing their jobs shouldn't have that job. Opinion, neither true or false.
    5) She is doing the right thing by not defending the state. Opinion again...neither true or false.

    i will gladly help you out. I would have thought me saying "the bolded" and then bolding parts of your post would have helped you ans saved you from trying to refram and using starwmen but i guess not.
    first ill re-post exactly what i already posted so you can see where you need the help at and got lost.
    Then ill respond to your post eventhough most of it doesnt apply

    ok here we go let me know if you are still confused after (ill even COLOR the bolded parts so you can see how they relate and dont get lost.)

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    She was hired to do a job. That job is to uphold and defend the laws of PA. She isn't doing that. She should step down.
    She is doing the right thing by not defending the state. At the same time, she is not doing her job by not defending the state. My 2 cents.
    the bolded
    1.) 100% false
    2.) again 100% false

    the LAW, rules of her office and her oath all disagree with you
    now on to your post/numbers

    1.) yes this is a fact, but nobody argued it so its meaningless to the discussion
    2.) see 1 and also see the facts its not that black and white. there are LAWS that clearly say she doesnt have to defend them or she doesnt have to defend them herself. You dont get to pick and choose her rules for her, they are already defined by LAW and OATH.
    3.) yes SHE is not and the is part of her job so to imply she isnt doing her job which you did in your OP is 100% false.
    WHY? because by the DUTIES, REQUIREMENTS, LAWS and OATH that define her job she is 100% fulling her job. Her job has definitions and rules and she is following them.
    4.) You are free to have this opinion, its not supported by any rational logic with in the context of this discussion but you are free to have it. As i said in my first post LAW, rules of her office and her oath all disagree with your opinion.
    5.) yes this is your opinion

    also to be clear, it may come off this way but theres HONESTLY no sarcasm in this post, just sharing info
    hopefully you understand now, let me know if i can help further
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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)more kneejerk, biased reactioins
    2.) they will be fine if anybody cares to actually read the articles or this thread
    3.) per the law, her oath and her rules of office theres nothing unjust about it
    4.) she is and thats NOT what she is doing
    5.) she handled it perfectly with in the rules of the law, job duties and her oath


    does anybody who is bothered by this actually reading the articles or knows what is actually going on or even knows the laws, her duties and her oath? certainly doesnt seem like it, seems like people want to just ignore the facts.
    Yes, what bothers me though is she won't act in an unbiased manner and protect the law. If she can't do her service she needs to resign. It is unjust to not stick up for a good law because the person in question essentially feels that it's unconstitutional before a ruling. It's a disservice to the people of PA.

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    Re: State attorney general wonít defend gay marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    1.)Yes, what bothers me though is she won't act in an unbiased manner and protect the law.
    2.) If she can't do her service she needs to resign.
    3.) It is unjust
    4.) to not stick up for a good law because the person in question essentially feels that it's unconstitutional before a ruling.
    5.) It's a disservice to the people of PA.
    1.) by whos judgement is its bias? thats your opinion supported by nothing
    as a matter of fact if i want to use that logic against her since the LAW says this:
    attorney general may allow lawyers for the governor's office or executive-branch agencies to defend a lawsuit if it is more efficient or in the state's best interests.
    i could say she is actually performing her job perfectly and passing it on to someone who will do it in an unbiased fashion. But theres no way to factually determine her bias.
    2.) she doing it perfectly per the rules, laws and oath of her office though, so theres no need to resign
    3.) again not unjust according to the rules, laws and oath of her office
    4.) what factually makes the law good? thats just more opinion backed up by nothing
    5.) following the LAWS, RULES and OATH of her office is never a disservice to the people of PA, if the people of PA dont like the LAWS, RULES and OATH of that office then they need to change that because she is honoring them perfectly by following them.

    SOrry digs as i keep repeating because you dont seem to get it, she has the total support of the rules, laws and oath of her office on her side and the is following them. You are free not to like because of your possible bias but shes not breaking any rules or laws or oaths.
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