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    Democrats Poised to Limit Filibusters, Angering G.O.P.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us...e.html?hp&_r=0

    WASHINGTON — A confrontation in the Senate between Republicans and Democrats over the confirmation of President Obama’s cabinet nominees edged closer on Thursday toward a showdown over changing the rules on filibusters.
    While the constant filibustering is certainly not a positive thing, the danger as everybody well knows is when the power shifts to the other party.

    Republicans and Democrats have been searching for a way to avert the rule change, which is so controversial that it is nicknamed “the nuclear option.” Any altering of the long-held Senate custom of the filibuster is a rare and, some argue, perilous as one year’s majority party could be the next year’s minority. Senators in both parties also say they fear it could irrevocably change the nature of the Senate.
    One could certainly make the argument that making it your policy to filibuster everything the other side proposes as a means of undermining their president has "irrevocably changed the nature of the Senate." The Republicans have wielded the filibuster recklessly, and if the Democrats remove or even just weaken the power of the filibuster the party in charge will be able to act even more recklessly. But temperance has not been a powerful rallying cry in the Republican party for some time now and they are not likely to relax their use of the filibuster soon.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    I am no fan of the democrats in the Senate, but what people call the "nuclear option" others call the "Constitutional option". Independent of who employs it, I think the 60 votes to pass rule violates the Constitution which is explicit as to when a supermajority is required.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Actually, I believe that the existence of the filibuster is a positive thing, especially when I see what's happening in North Carolina after the Republicans took over both the executive and the legislature for the first time since Reconstruction. But to use it as a tool to undermine the opposing party instead of blocking draconian bills is why we've come to this point.

    The "nuclear option" is not new -- it's been proposed from time to time since Clinton at least. But I think now that somebody is either going to blink or what's happening in North Carolina will be reenacted on a Federal level in the future.

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    I think what should happen is that the filibuster needs to go back to being an actual filibuster. That whole thing about standing up before congress and actually "running out the clock" by speaking on the subject? Yeah, that went away ages ago. Just need one guy sitting down in an air-conditioned room to say "I object" when a call for a vote comes up.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post

    The "nuclear option" is not new -- it's been proposed from time to time since Clinton at least.
    Since about 1975, according to wiki! Although the phrasing "nuclear option" is more recent.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think what should happen is that the filibuster needs to go back to being an actual filibuster. That whole thing about standing up before congress and actually "running out the clock" by speaking on the subject? Yeah, that went away ages ago. Just need one guy sitting down in an air-conditioned room to say "I object" when a call for a vote comes up.
    That might be the best option. I wouldn't want it to go away permanently, there are good reasons for it. But the way it is right now can be easily abused by the minority party. That'd be a good compromise, I think.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

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    While the constant filibustering is certainly not a positive thing,
    It is a wonderful thing. It is one of the few things available to slow down the congress.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    If Reid goes through with it,and I am the Republican leader,I tell my senators to go home for the rest of the year.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am no fan of the democrats in the Senate, but what people call the "nuclear option" others call the "Constitutional option". Independent of who employs it, I think the 60 votes to pass rule violates the Constitution which is explicit as to when a supermajority is required.
    Exactly. Its a bogus rule. People vote for the majority to lead. And I don't mean dominate but to put forth the policies they ran on. People voted for that. If the people were wrong and those policies are enacted and fail... that's what the hell the next election is for. When I watch the abuse of the filibuster I can't help but think that here we are... electing officials and they say "yeah, we know that you put us in charge, but we are going to kind of ignore you and make our own little rules. Now go play children. Ignore us."
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Wasn't Wendy Davis raised up as a hero for using the filibuster to stop Republicans from making abortions safer in Texas?
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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