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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet only in the committees, but still likely to have a rubber stamp effect on those brought to the Senate floor for a vote. Cloture merely means end the debate. Skipping that step means that the same 50 vote total may both end floor debate and approve the appointment.

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    A cloture cote is a vote to end debate. Any issues arising from my proposed rule change could be handled by a simple requirement for a minimum time for debate before the number of votes required for cloture drops to 51.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

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    A cloture cote is a vote to end debate. Any issues arising from my proposed rule change could be handled by a simple requirement for a minimum time for debate before the number of votes required for cloture drops to 51.

    That rule change requires a super majority to end debate on it as well - does it not?
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That rule change requires a super majority to end debate on it as well - does it not?
    Honestly I am not sure, but would think it would. I did not mean that my suggestion was likely to happen, only that things are broken as it and needs to be fixed. It is most apparent with judicial nominations where neither side wants to confirm appointments made by the other side, leading to a large number of vacant seats. The problem is not republicans, it is not democrats, it is all of them. Personally, I think the bar should be pretty high to vote down a presidential nominee. Tax cheat, sure, vote him down, don't like his ideology, well then work harder next presidential election.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet we have many posters on this forum that see the same "nonsense" in Texas as completely justified.
    Difference is that she actually did the deed.. she stood there hour after hour and not breaking the very strict rules of the Texas legislative on filibustering. No GOPer has done that in donkey years in the US senate. And in the end her filibustering was for nothing, because the GOP just called an emergency session and forced the bill.. Not even the US senate can do that.. and considering this when you reread what you wrote

    You don't that think the politcal party invloved makes any difference do you?
    Of course not, because the Dems used the same stupid rules during Bush and so on.

    The only person who has any kind of veto in Government should be the President.. not a single or two senators in the Senate, and that is exactly what is happening now. Certain GOP Senators have time and time again filibustered or threatened to do so, and stopped nominations for posts to actual legislation to go through.

    You live in a Republic where the individual Senator often has more power than the whole freaking Congress.... is that right?

    Obviously all bills/appointments should simply be rubber stamped if one party gets a one seat advantage - that is the "correct" solution is it not?
    That is democracy. And the GOP has a stop gap in the House.. so what is the problem?

    One can flip it the other way and say.. is it fair that 59 out of 100 Senators agree, but because they cant get 60 votes to allow a vote on the issue, then the bill dies?

    And in the case of nominations you can have 99 senators agreeing and 1 being a pissy moron to hold up critical appointments to government jobs... brilliant system!... NOT!

    Floor debate and actually reading bills is a silly waste of time, an efficient gov't simply passes everything proposed by the majority party.
    No it aint, but that is again not what is happening. Even with the filibuster and unlimited holds on nominations and bills, they still are not reading the bills.. BOTH sides do this.

    No, the filibuster should stay, but it should require that the Senators actually do the filibustering on the floor .. hour after hour.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    The filibuster needs to stay. If nothing else, it prevents the Senate from quietly passing many objectionable bills and creates public attention to whatever is being filibustered. It also slows down the increasingly erratic and authoritarian activities that Congress has been exhibiting in recent years, which cannot be a bad thing.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am no fan of the democrats in the Senate, but what people call the "nuclear option" others call the "Constitutional option". Independent of who employs it, I think the 60 votes to pass rule violates the Constitution which is explicit as to when a supermajority is required.
    I don't believe it's a constitutional violation. I believe the Constitution explicitly leaves the rules of the senate up to them.

    I never did like the filibuster rule, any variation of it, and I'd be glad to see it go. Republicans who speak out against ending it just better not have been around during the Bush years when republicans were screaming for an end to the filibuster rule themselves.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The filibuster, in principle, is not the problem. The problem is wielding it solely as a tool for undermining the president, as is being done now.


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    Right, because Wendy's filibuster didn't undermine the will of the people of Texas. I guess it is only bad when the opposing view does it.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Right, because Wendy's filibuster didn't undermine the will of the people of Texas. I guess it is only bad when the opposing view does it.
    I said "when it's used solely as a tool for undermining the president" or the opposing political party.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigi View Post
    The filibuster needs to stay. If nothing else, it prevents the Senate from quietly passing many objectionable bills and creates public attention to whatever is being filibustered. It also slows down the increasingly erratic and authoritarian activities that Congress has been exhibiting in recent years, which cannot be a bad thing.
    Again this is not about bills, it is about nominations.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Because Harry Reid is a wimp?
    No, because back then he was in the minority. Party leaders in the minority LOVE the filibuster rule.
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