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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

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    Reid strikes me as a probable child molester.
    Free Republic forums are that way ---->
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think what should happen is that the filibuster needs to go back to being an actual filibuster. That whole thing about standing up before congress and actually "running out the clock" by speaking on the subject? Yeah, that went away ages ago. Just need one guy sitting down in an air-conditioned room to say "I object" when a call for a vote comes up.
    I do not have a problem with that, but I think that won't change much. I think since the big problem here is presidential appointments being delayed, alter the rule to eliminate the 60 votes for cloture on those issues alone. I think a president should be able to appoint his choice of people, no matter who that president is, on a bare majority.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    The filibuster is beyond idiotic in the current form. The idiotic thing is, that it only requires a 51 votes to get something passed, but 60 votes to be allowed to vote.. that is beyond twisted and frankly anti-democratic. The sick thing is, that one or two people have the power to keep stuff off the table even though a large majority of Senators agree on it. And that power has been abused many times, especially by the GOP the last 5 years, and especially from certain far right wing GOP wackos and often for personal gain. It has to stop.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The filibuster is beyond idiotic in the current form. The idiotic thing is, that it only requires a 51 votes to get something passed, but 60 votes to be allowed to vote.. that is beyond twisted and frankly anti-democratic. The sick thing is, that one or two people have the power to keep stuff off the table even though a large majority of Senators agree on it. And that power has been abused many times, especially by the GOP the last 5 years, and especially from certain far right wing GOP wackos and often for personal gain. It has to stop.
    Yet we have many posters on this forum that see the same "nonsense" in Texas as completely justified. You don't that think the politcal party invloved makes any difference do you? Obviously all bills/appointments should simply be rubber stamped if one party gets a one seat advantage - that is the "correct" solution is it not? Floor debate and actually reading bills is a silly waste of time, an efficient gov't simply passes everything proposed by the majority party.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not have a problem with that, but I think that won't change much. I think since the big problem here is presidential appointments being delayed, alter the rule to eliminate the 60 votes for cloture on those issues alone. I think a president should be able to appoint his choice of people, no matter who that president is, on a bare majority.
    So no debate should be allowed for these appointments at all? Simply read the appointtee's name and take a vote?
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So no debate should be allowed for these appointments at all? Simply read the appointtee's name and take a vote?
    Did not say nor imply that. No clue where you came up with that. I thin k a 60 vote cloture vote is the only thing to change, with cloture on a bare majority instead, and only for presidential appointments.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did not say nor imply that. No clue where you came up with that. I thin k a 60 vote cloture vote is the only thing to change, with cloture on a bare majority instead, and only for presidential appointments.
    Which amounts to exactly the same thing if the president's party has 50 Senate votes.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Which amounts to exactly the same thing if the president's party has 51 votes.
    No. There would still be the potential for debate. There would still be confirmation hearings.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No. There would still be the potential for debate. There would still be confirmation hearings.
    Yet only in the committees, but still likely to have a rubber stamp effect on those brought to the Senate floor for a vote. Cloture merely means end the debate. Skipping that step means that the same 50 vote total may both end floor debate and approve the appointment.

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