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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Wasn't Wendy Davis raised up as a hero for using the filibuster to stop Republicans from making abortions safer in Texas?
    she used the filibuster that we come to recognize from "mr smith goes to washington"

    the kind of filibusters we oppose are the so called silent filibuster.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    This would be the Greek Tragedy "catastrophe" where the Democrats, feeling invincible, become the architects of their own undoing.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Wasn't Wendy Davis raised up as a hero for using the filibuster to stop Republicans from making abortions safer in Texas?
    The filibuster, in principle, is not the problem. The problem is wielding it solely as a tool for undermining the president, as is being done now.

    McConnell: We need to be honest with the public. This election is about them, not us. And we need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”
    NJ: What’s the job?
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Wasn't Wendy Davis raised up as a hero for using the filibuster to stop Republicans from making abortions safer in Texas?
    She did a real filibuster. The difficult kind you'd only use in an extreme case.
    For the past couple decades, the fake filibuster has been used to hamstring basic government functions for partisan gain.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am no fan of the democrats in the Senate, but what people call the "nuclear option" others call the "Constitutional option". Independent of who employs it, I think the 60 votes to pass rule violates the Constitution which is explicit as to when a supermajority is required.
    Where does the constitution mention Senate voting margins?

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Wasn't Wendy Davis raised up as a hero for using the filibuster to stop Republicans from making abortions safer in Texas?
    Yeah,but that was different.

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    Re: Democrats Poised to Limit Filibusters, Angering G.O.P.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us...e.html?hp&_r=0



    While the constant filibustering is certainly not a positive thing, the danger as everybody well knows is when the power shifts to the other party.



    One could certainly make the argument that making it your policy to filibuster everything the other side proposes as a means of undermining their president has "irrevocably changed the nature of the Senate." The Republicans have wielded the filibuster recklessly, and if the Democrats remove or even just weaken the power of the filibuster the party in charge will be able to act even more recklessly. But temperance has not been a powerful rallying cry in the Republican party for some time now and they are not likely to relax their use of the filibuster soon.
    Democrats would be very foolish to limit the filibusters.It might be one of those things the side in the majority hates but it is one of those things the side in the minority loves.Obama will not be president forever, nor will there be a democrat president forever.
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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The filibuster, in principle, is not the problem. The problem is wielding it solely as a tool for undermining the president, as is being done now.
    Except that anything that undermines Obama is good for the country.

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    Re: Showdown Nears in Senate Over Filibusters Change

    fillibusters were used in the past only under extraordinary circumstances.

    now it seems the fillibuster is used to oppose Everything and anything

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    Re: Democrats Poised to Limit Filibusters, Angering G.O.P.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Democrats would be very foolish to limit the filibusters.It might be one of those things the side in the majority hates but it is one of those things the side in the minority loves.Obama will not be president forever, nor will there be a democrat president forever.
    Yes, I believe this is why it's popularly referred to as the "nuclear" option.

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