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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I'm not suggesting it's the smartest thing to do, i'm just saying let's keep it in perspective. They already have at least 240. It's no secret that the US is the biggest weapons dealer on the planet and i guess i'm just a little perplexed at the selective outrage here over 4 f-16's.
    It's the principle that matters. Why give one more weapon that can possibly kill one of our soldiers?

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think we will survive selling off 39 year old technology
    its called having principles and setting an example. The US reprimands Russia and China for selling arms to Syria stating that the country is unstable and those weapons could fall into the wrong hands or be used to target civilians but then engages in open trade with a country that just carried out a coup and has killed civilians this month.
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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but that is a lousy excuse. Sending fighter jets and tanks into a country that is unstable AND could possibly be used against US in the future is not a good thing no matter how you try and pan it out.
    Revoking the sale could lead to a significant loss of credibility and influence in Egypt, something that despite the media swirl we have managed to retain a great deal of. Completing the sale of four more jets is not going to upend the military balance or result in any significant consequences for the United States. Allowing the sale to be completed and avoiding a public breach is in my opinion well worth it.

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    its called having principles and setting an example. The US reprimands Russia and China for selling arms to Syria stating that the country is unstable and those weapons could fall into the wrong hands or be used to target civilians but then engages in open trade with a country that just carried out a coup and has killed civilians this month.
    That isn't at all why we criticize Russia or China for selling arms to Syria (pointedly it has primarily been Russia not China) we criticize them because we do not think the fascistic Baath regime should be acquiring any more support. The situation in Egypt at present pales in comparison to what has occurred in Syria, and it doesn't make sense to have a complete break with Egypt when there remains the possibility of salvaging the situation.

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Revoking the sale could lead to a significant loss of credibility and influence in Egypt, something that despite the media swirl we have managed to retain a great deal of. Completing the sale of four more jets is not going to upend the military balance or result in any significant consequences for the United States. Allowing the sale to be completed and avoiding a public breach is in my opinion well worth it.
    If one of those jets is ever used to kill an American would you feel the same way?

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If one of those jets is ever used to kill an American would you feel the same way?
    Yes because the question isn't rational, it's emotive. There are 240 fighter aircraft of similar capability in the Egyptian arsenal. Assuming that there is ever a situation in which Egypt engages in hostile action against the United States it will be utterly irrelevant whether or not one of the four aircraft we delivered in 2013 is used in an attack run. It could equally have been one of (literally) a hundred other aircraft. This sale does little to alter the military equation, and it's revocation at this juncture is in my opinion more consequential than allowing it to go through. There is no need to rush through a new arms package anytime soon but maintaining the existing relationship with Egypt which is important both to the military (and by extension any new government in Egypt whether Brotherhood or otherwise) is more valuable.

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If one of those jets is ever used to kill an American would you feel the same way?
    It's like saying if someone has 240 rifles and you completed a sale for four more and then they ended up shooting you with it would you feel bad? Of course not because the fact that you sold them 4 out of 244 rifles had no impact on either their ability or decision to shoot you!

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That isn't at all why we criticize Russia or China for selling arms to Syria (pointedly it has primarily been Russia not China) we criticize them because we do not think the fascistic Baath regime should be acquiring any more support. The situation in Egypt at present pales in comparison to what has occurred in Syria, and it doesn't make sense to have a complete break with Egypt when there remains the possibility of salvaging the situation.
    Stick and stones. I'm sure Russia will point to this sale as vindication for their own dealings with countries that the US and her allies find less favourable. Worth pointing out though that no one is suggesting that we abandon Egypt however it would be prudent to hold of on anymore weapons sales to this region until they sort themselves out.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Egypt unrest: US to go ahead with F-16 jets delivery


    "The US is going ahead with plans to deliver four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt despite the political unrest in the country, senior American officials say.

    It comes as Washington is continuing to evaluate last week's overthrow of President Mohammed Morsi by the army. "



    I'm really happy the Obama administration and the US military were able to put aside their "concern" at the on going events in Egypt and still manage to sell the much needed F-16's to a country which is falling into chaos. Oh well at the very least the government will have 4 more Jets to bomb their civilians with if this situation goes in the direction of Syria or if we are lucky they will fall into the hands of extremists whilst the country is tearing at the seams.

    Yessiree Bob! "War is good business, and business is good." The largest arms dealer in the World and just dealing arms. There is big money in chaos, destruction, and death and don't you forget it.

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    Re: US still on track to sell F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It's like saying if someone has 240 rifles and you completed a sale for four more and then they ended up shooting you with it would you feel bad? Of course not because the fact that you sold them 4 out of 244 rifles had no impact on either their ability or decision to shoot you!
    Then there shouldn't be any outcry over Fast and Furious since those people would have had guns that killed our border patrol anyway right?

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