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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

rabbitcaebannog said:
WTH is that suppose to mean? Please explain because I don't think you know what you are talking about.
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I am certain you can find someone somewhere who will write a blog or an article that says up is really down and you will quote it if you think it furthers your view. Progressive taxes collected by a feared agency is the tool for tyrants. When you are not part of the solution you are extending the tyranny.
 
Misterveritis said:
I am certain you can find someone somewhere who will write a blog or an article that says up is really down and you will quote it if you think it furthers your view. Progressive taxes collected by a feared agency is the tool for tyrants. When you are not part of the solution you are extending the tyranny.
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EY :shock: I'm not talking about progressive taxes. I want you to explain to me how a flat tax differs from a VAT and how a VAT is tyranny compared with the so called Fair tax. Back up your argument with a little substance instead of platitudes.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
EY :shock: I'm not talking about progressive taxes. I want you to explain to me how a flat tax differs from a VAT and how a VAT is tyranny compared with the so called Fair tax. Back up your argument with a little substance instead of platitudes.
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I have already told you. A value added tax is a hidden tax. It is a deceptive theft.
A flat tax or a fair tax can be clearly seen by all who pay it. There is nothing hidden about it.
 
Misterveritis said:
I have already told you. A value added tax is a hidden tax. It is a deceptive theft.
A flat tax or a fair tax can be clearly seen by all who pay it. There is nothing hidden about it.
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No, you haven't told me why a VAT is a hidden tax. I really want to hear why it is a hidden tax. TIA
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Looking at overall revenue per capita rather than just tax revenue is essential when looking at the history of federal revenues.
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But not essential when looking at the impact of the tax rate on tax revenue.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
No, you haven't told me why a VAT is a hidden tax. I really want to hear why it is a hidden tax. TIA
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Allow me to give it a go....In my limited understanding, A V.A.T. is applied to every level of production, from the raw materials, to the end product, and at every level of that production the costs of the end product would rise due to the tax being applied because a V.A.T. would be in addition to the taxes now paid by these companies now doing business, not in place of.

The average consumer does not know every level of production in the end product that they buy off the shelf, most people look at the end cost and think little about why it is so expensive, they just know that things are costing more, and that they have less.

Maybe you could explain how yet another tax of any sort at this point and time would benefit the economy, without further eroding the buying power of the average family in this country?
 
j-mac said:
Allow me to give it a go....In my limited understanding, A V.A.T. is applied to every level of production, from the raw materials, to the end product, and at every level of that production the costs of the end product would rise due to the tax being applied because a V.A.T. would be in addition to the taxes now paid by these companies now doing business, not in place of.

The average consumer does not know every level of production in the end product that they buy off the shelf, most people look at the end cost and think little about why it is so expensive, they just know that things are costing more, and that they have less.

Maybe you could explain how yet another tax of any sort at this point and time would benefit the economy, without further eroding the buying power of the average family in this country?
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Well, they do have valid VAT receipts in many countries which show the details of a sale or other supply of goods and services, so it's not "hidden".

As far as your second question, the only reason why it would be good is to sustain things such as health care being a biggie.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Well, they do have valid VAT receipts in many countries which show the details of a sale or other supply of goods and services, so it's not "hidden".

As far as your second question, the only reason why it would be good is to sustain things such as health care being a biggie.
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So, more wealth re distribution? Nah....Now if you want to advocate that a VAT, or Flat Tax should be instituted to abolish the IRS, and replace our current mess of a tax code? Then we can talk productively....But to use a VAT as another add on tax to what is currently in place is insane.
 
j-mac said:
So, more wealth re distribution? Nah....Now if you want to advocate that a VAT, or Flat Tax should be instituted to abolish the IRS, and replace our current mess of a tax code? Then we can talk productively....But to use a VAT as another add on tax to what is currently in place is insane.
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The plain truth is we don't have enough revenue to address the growing health care cost problem hitting every single country in the world. The cost of health care is going up period. If we don't address it now, we will have to either cut away and erode our health care system or go into heavy debt.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The plain truth is we don't have enough revenue to address the growing health care cost problem hitting every single country in the world. The cost of health care is going up period. If we don't address it now, we will have to either cut away and erode our health care system or go into heavy debt.
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You pose an 'either/or' fallacy. There are more than two possibilities.
 
j-mac said:
You pose an 'either/or' fallacy. There are more than two possibilities.
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I'm not presenting an "either/or fallacy". I'm merely stating that without a sufficient tax base, we can't afford rising health care cost. Feel free to bring up other methods to support the rising costs.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Well, they do have valid VAT receipts in many countries which show the details of a sale or other supply of goods and services, so it's not "hidden".

As far as your second question, the only reason why it would be good is to sustain things such as health care being a biggie.
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So when you go to make a purchase you can see the total amount of tax you are paying for a thing? I believe you are telling stories.

Taking one person's property to give to another is still theft no matter how you pretty it up.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The plain truth is we don't have enough revenue to address the growing health care cost problem hitting every single country in the world. The cost of health care is going up period. If we don't address it now, we will have to either cut away and erode our health care system or go into heavy debt.
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Marxism always works this way. First it consumes the wealth of the few. Then it consumes the wealth of the many. I know, you don't actually see the Marxist paradise that is being built but it will come. WE have a Democratic law passed by sleight of hand and foisted upon an unwilling people. WE must end it or it will end us.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
What you are doing is cherry picking information.
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No, I'm not. I'm talking about taxes and the effect of the rate. You, however, keep trying to divert with things like economic bubbles.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The plain truth is we don't have enough revenue to address the growing health care cost problem hitting every single country in the world. The cost of health care is going up period. If we don't address it now, we will have to either cut away and erode our health care system or go into heavy debt.
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I know, we could stop trying to force socialized medicine on everyone.
 
apdst said:
I know, we could stop trying to force socialized medicine on everyone.
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Oh, no. That trend was the reason Obama pushed through his plan. Health care costs are raising and because our system is market driven it is not socialized medicine.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Oh, no. That trend was the reason Obama pushed through his plan. Health care costs are raising and because our system is market driven it is not socialized medicine.
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Remove the regulations that disallow insurance companies to compete against each other and let the market do what it does. The market isn't creating higher healthcare costs, government regulations being placed on the insurance and medical industries is.

Obamacare has nothing to do with providing everyone with health insurance. Stop acting like it does.
 
apdst said:
Remove the regulations that disallow insurance companies to compete against each other and let the market do what it does. The market isn't creating higher healthcare costs, government regulations being placed on the insurance and medical industries is.

Obamacare has nothing to do with providing everyone with health insurance. Stop acting like it does.
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You mean no regulations? The market is creating higher cost when new and improved technology is available. Also, pharmaceutical cost here are much more expensive than anywhere else in the world. Also, we have a large aging population to consider who will have more health problems.

Oh, and your last point is strawman.
 
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