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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

As defined by me. Frankly, I've become a bit of a believer in this. Since the laws of supply and demand do not apply to labor, and since employers are all infinitely able to pay higher labor costs out of magical profits, I say we raise the minimum wage to $50 an hour, and we can all have above-average income!

And clearly everyone will still aspire to work hard construction jobs or some other high stress occupations, requiring many years of extra education/training that pay little more than being a Walmart greeter or a McBurger flipper. We can then all be HS dropouts, recrational drug (ab)users and still have a guaranteed opportunity for a "middle class" lifestyle. Naturally, our social "safety net" programs will increase their benefit levels to exceed this new minimum wage level threshold.

Why not take this concept of wage "fairness" one tiny step further and use the federal tax code to establish a maximum wage? After all, it is not "fair" (equal?) that one person's labor be compensated based on its market value and not another.
 
No stupid is letting corporate non humans have rights under the constitution.

Yeah! We should be able to do whatever we damned well please to those corporations! When charged or sued, they should have no rights whatsoever to defend themselves. When we are passing laws to soak them, they should have no right to freedom of speech in order to tell their side of the story. We should be able to sack and pillage them with utter impunity. Rights? I say f*** them and their rights. We should just bend them all over and rape them as we please. Then we'd have the greatest prosperity ever.
 
I've thought this many times. Why not just raise the minimum wage to a number that makes us all wealthy and that would fix all the problems for everyone. We'd be rolling in dough and people could pay for a nice house with a two car garage and a couple nice cars to go in it from just a minimum wage job flipping burgers. It's only because the evil rich want to hold us all back that this hasn't happened already.


so someone flipping a burger, should be paid the same as someone like myself who has to do training every month and has to have a license to preform his job, which takes 2 years to acquire.

were I have to use my brain to figure out electrical and mechanical problems....I don't think that's going to work.
 
Yeah! We should be able to do whatever we damned well please to those corporations! When charged or sued, they should have no rights whatsoever to defend themselves. When we are passing laws to soak them, they should have no right to freedom of speech in order to tell their side of the story. We should be able to sack and pillage them with utter impunity. Rights? I say f*** them and their rights. We should just bend them all over and rape them as we please. Then we'd have the greatest prosperity ever.

Only humans have rights. Corporations should have no rights.
 
:) Well, I"m just happy to have been part of
your growth. Remember, it's the journey that's important, not the destination. So long as the destination is liberalism. Because otherwise, you're a racist. :)


LOL !!....made my morning.

It stands to reason that the election of a Jr Senator with no qualifications and a penchant for radical left wing ideology that mixes with a free market economy like Water and ....well a 15 pound solid block of pre-lit magnesium, or a 20 pound block of solid Sodium, that your average American would be able to make the easy Connection between his policies and the nearly 5 years of stagnant growth.
And thats stagnant growth WITH 7 TRILLION in new structural debt.

But instead our Liberal buddies have decided to manufacture brand new narratives to explain his failure.

There's the " eat the rich " narrative, the " Sky-Net Narrative" where sometime after 2008, apparently, a Super Computer became self aware and instead of condemning us to a horrible death via thermo-nuclear holocaust and Terminators with bad Accents ( Cmon, Sky-Net can build a Cy-Borg so believable but it can't make it pronounce " California " Correctly ? ), it decided to steal our jobs, there's the income disparity nonsense, and now this.

The " living wage" narrative.

Where were all of these folks when Clinton's Tech bubble was creating New Millionaires at an almost exponential rate ?

Yes elections DO have Consequences.
 
And clearly everyone will still aspire to work hard construction jobs or some other high stress occupations, requiring many years of extra education/training that pay little more than being a Walmart greeter or a McBurger flipper. We can then all be HS dropouts, recrational drug (ab)users and still have a guaranteed opportunity for a "middle class" lifestyle. Naturally, our social "safety net" programs will increase their benefit levels to exceed this new minimum wage level threshold.

Why not take this concept of wage "fairness" one tiny step further and use the federal tax code to establish a maximum wage? After all, it is not "fair" (equal?) that one person's labor be compensated based on its market value and not another.

And, given that people do not make decisions on how to allocate their time, resources, or labor based on taxes, we could use the hundreds of billions raised to give us all extra free stuff! This plan is perfect!!!
 
Only humans have rights. Corporations should have no rights.

Since humans own corporations, human rights would tend to pass through the corporation, anyway. Not sure what you want to try to accomplish that you are barred from doing because of "rights" issues but it doesn't sound very honest or decent.
 
And, given that people do not make decisions on how to allocate their time, resources, or labor based on taxes, we could use the hundreds of billions raised to give us all extra free stuff! This plan is perfect!!!

Indeed. We would have created the perfect utopian society, all work is basically optional, education is free and we will all have everything that we need supplied to us by the all powerful government. Need a bigger house? No problem, just ask the gov't to give you one.
 
Since humans own corporations, human rights would tend to pass through the corporation, anyway. Not sure what you want to try to accomplish that you are barred from doing because of "rights" issues but it doesn't sound very honest or decent.

Some humans own corporations some are only owned by corporations owning other corporations and just create paper trails to hide and steal. They use the laws that give corporations individual rights to harm individuals.
 
so someone flipping a burger, should be paid the same as someone like myself who has to do training every month and has to have a license to preform his job, which takes 2 years to acquire.

were I have to use my brain to figure out electrical and mechanical problems....I don't think that's going to work.

But it must work. It's only right to completely disassociate "earnings" with the concept of "earning" anything. It should be arbitrarily set by the government to insure everyone that works has everything they want out of life. I mean, why should a burger flipper make less than you just because his job takes no skill, training or intelligence, isn't challenging or difficult and millions and millions of people could do it standing on their head?</sarcasm>
 
Some humans own corporations some are only owned by corporations owning other corporations and just create paper trails to hide and steal. They use the laws that give corporations individual rights to harm individuals.

Do they? How do they use laws that give corporations individual rights to harm individuals? What "individual rights" are leveraged in such an onerous fashion?
 
Do they? How do they use laws that give corporations individual rights to harm individuals? What "individual rights" are leveraged in such an onerous fashion?

See Enron. I had friends that worked there. Hundreds of corporations created to hide money and liabilities.

Each paper corporation had rights and could not just be investigated.

So each new fake company started the process over.
 
See Enron. I had friends that worked there. Hundreds of corporations created to hide money and liabilities.

Each paper corporation had rights and could not just be investigated.

But they WERE investigated. So how can you say they weren't?
 
But it must work. It's only right to completely disassociate "earnings" with the concept of "earning" anything. It should be arbitrarily set by the government to insure everyone that works has everything they want out of life. I mean, why should a burger flipper make less than you just because his job takes no skill, training or intelligence, isn't challenging or difficult and millions and millions of people could do it standing on their head?</sarcasm>

I figured it was a put on, ..that's why I stated...I don't think that's going to work.
 
But they WERE investigated. So how can you say they weren't?

Right that is how we found they gamed the system with fake companies. Had investigators had authority to look at the books perhaps the disaster could have been avoided.
 
But it must work. It's only right to completely disassociate "earnings" with the concept of "earning" anything. It should be arbitrarily set by the government to insure everyone that works has everything they want out of life. I mean, why should a burger flipper make less than you just because his job takes no skill, training or intelligence, isn't challenging or difficult and millions and millions of people could do it standing on their head?</sarcasm>

Absolutely! Not only that - but if you add more dependents you get a a commensurate increase in your pay. Perhaps you may even feel depressed, and thus "unable" to flip those burgers; you are then "disabled" and get even more pay, help around the house and care for your "illness" will be given to you. Life will then be completely "fair", all will then have "access" to any "need" and some anonymous "rich guys" and corporations will pay for it all. From each according to their ability (to pay taxes), to each according to their need (for free stuff). Yes we can!
 
Right that is how we found they gamed the system with fake companies. Had investigators had authority to look at the books perhaps the disaster could have been avoided.

What makes you think the investigators didn't have the authority to look at the books? What did "corporations with individual rights" have to do with the fact that crimes were not caught before they were committed (as is so often the case in this world).
 
What makes you think the investigators didn't have the authority to look at the books? What did "corporations with individual rights" have to do with the fact that crimes were not caught before they were committed (as is so often the case in this world).

Well when the rolling blackouts occurred Enron's lawyers used Privacy and other individual liberty arguments to delay and hide.
 
Well when the rolling blackouts occurred Enron's lawyers used Privacy and other individual liberty arguments to delay and hide.

The rule of law shouldn't apply to corporations? If you own a corporation, does that mean the government should be able to seize your records at any time without a warrant or reasonable cause? You may go to prison if they can find something in their random search and seizure that they can prosecute you for. Wouldn't that violate YOUR rights?
 
to an extent, you gotta have money to make money. Hard to upskill when you can't gain experience or afford more education.

How is it anyone cannot afford an education this day in age?
 
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