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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Is that what they are doing? I think they are just trying to make themselves look like heros because they are standing up to the evil WalMart. They don't care that their voters are paying higher prices, don't have a job, or have to drive out of town if they want to go to Walmart. As long as they get their low information vote,
    Um, voters vote them in, right? If they don't want Walmart around and they want to look good to the voters then so be it.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They don't want any union "benefits". They want a job without being forced to pay the union. They get paid the market rate for their job.
    In reality, they are getting a job with wages and benefits negotiated by the union and paid for by their peers. Now it is also expected of unions to represent these free loaders who may need the union to represent them if management does something against union contract. It's the definition of "free loader".

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I understand you completely. You're only concerned about freedom as it pertains ro unions, so please stop pretending otherwise.
    I am for freedom for all. You are for corporate oligarchy.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I understand you completely. You're only concerned about freedom as it pertains ro unions, so please stop pretending otherwise.
    Unions are a positive influence on our society, and affect more than merely unionized workers, since union wages raise the prevailing wage in areas that are highly unionized.

    And consider what brought them about: Industrialists had it all their own way; workers had zero influence in the competing interest equation that is wage-setting. So a lot of ideas were bandied about: worker states/communism; state controlled wage minimums / earning maximums; and of course the most free-market solution ever with collective bargaining, giving labor equal weight in the competing interest equation that is wage-setting. Thankfully, we chose that latter and have the world's greatest economy and most successful businesses to show for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post

    I am for freedom for all. You are for corporate oligarchy.
    Your posts tell a different story.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    They don't just serve the poorest consumers, they also tend to make the poorest consumers. Those in D.C. won't be missing anything without these Walmarts in there.
    Wal-Mart is a symptom of the hollowed out manufacturing sector, not a cause. WM is a market solution to the problem of declining disposable income, and now those who presume to speak for the poor are determined to block it in order to satisfy their own sense of social commitment. Pure hypocrisy in action.
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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Wal-Mart is a symptom of the hollowed out manufacturing sector, not a cause. WM is a market solution to the problem of declining disposable income
    Really? What makes you think that the Waltons wanted to come with a solution to declining disposable income rather than just coming up with a solution to make huge profits in spite of the declining disposable income of Americans? What better solution than just not providing for your workers and setting up tables to educate these workers how to use state programs instead?

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Really? What makes you think that the Waltons wanted to come with a solution to declining disposable income rather than just coming up with a solution to make huge profits in spite of the declining disposable income of Americans? What better solution than just not providing for your workers and setting up tables to educate these workers how to use state programs instead?
    I never claimed the Walton's set out to create a solution. The Waltons set out to create a successful business. The fact that that successful business meets a need and solves a problem is the definition of a market solution. Like the old saying goes: private vice is often public virtue.
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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Your posts tell a different story.
    I am for equality. Either no min wage no right to work or the opposite.

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    Re: Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I never claimed the Walton's set out to create a solution. The Waltons set out to create a successful business. The fact that that successful business meets a need and solves a problem is the definition of a market solution. Like the old saying goes: private vice is often public virtue.
    Actually they're not mutually fulfilling. Sam Walton was a clever and industrious guy, who when FW Woolworth pulled the franchise out from under him, opened his own store. Then he had an epiphany: if he drove a couple hundred miles at night and acquired inventory at lower cost, he could open the next day and undercut his competition with ease while they we're still standing on their heels. And thus, Walmart has always based their business model on acquiring goods at lower cost than their competition, seeing early on that Chinese manufacture was the future and the cat's friggin pajamas for a retailer (dirt cheap inventory).

    Now to wages: no company wants to pay more than they have to. Walmart is no different and not wrong in wanting to maximize profit. So they'll fight collective bargaining, right along with McDonald's, Home Depot, JC Penny etc, etc. But Walmart can actually thrive since they serve low wage workers best, and they can even feel good about themselves: people are making less; thankgod for us since we allow them to live with less.

    But as for the market as a whole, it's a friggin nighmare. Small businesses are sucking wind, and starting a small business today borders on quixotic. People simply haven't the disposable income they did, pre-Great Recession. The bottom 90% are buying need and not want items, which by the way, Walmart is the very best at serving. (need items for less than their competition can compete at.)

    Are you seeing the dynamic?

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