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Walmart says it will kill plans to build 3 new stores if DC wage bill passes

wbcoleman said:
The minimum wage reduces competition from lower cost labor. Do you not see that?
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The government forced open shop to benefit management so it foces min wage to benefit labor. That is fair.
 
captainawesome said:
The government forced open shop to benefit management so it foces min wage to benefit labor. That is fair.
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Do you mean to say that unions can't succeed without the use of coercion?
 
pbrauer said:
There many communities that don't like their strong arm tactics and try to keep them out. ,
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wbcoleman said:
See, if the residents of these communities really didn't want them they wouldn't shop there. If so, the stores would be unprofitable. Is that what happens?
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The problem with many of these communities is that a large retail store causes traffic patterns, traffic lights, signs which is very expensive.
 
Slyfox696 said:
My guess to the logic behind it would be stores of that size can afford to pay greater wages, especially since (again, speaking theoretically) stores of that size are more likely to be chain stores and not a small business.
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Does your argument then become nothing more than "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?
 
Grand Mal said:
-Walmart and others of that ilk are a big part of why the American economy has been struggling these last few years.
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No that would be the US government under the control of the socialists in both parties.
 
captainawesome said:
That is like saying business can't succeed without coercion.

Both sides got a law passed.
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The question I'm asking is, why do unions seem to feel that their success depends upon coercing workers into joining? If the union provides value, why should that be necessary?
 
captainawesome said:
Better to save land for moral business than exploiters with no community values.
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Did you just change the subject? Who could possibly be greater exploiters with no community values than the millions of busybody bureaucrats who work for the federal government? What is more immoral than our rapacious bureaucrats in the Executive Branch and the Congress-critters who infest what used to be great swampland?
 
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Walmart provides something very few places do any more--convenience--that is the secret to their success. You can get your car worked on while you shop, instead of having to spend twice the time doing both. You can get your clothes and groceries and automotive and basic hardware supplies all in one location without having to make a ton of trips/stops. That costs money. If people did not shop at Walmart or were not willing to work there in sufficient numbers, then Walmart would stop growing and begin declining. Since people are willing to shop and work there, the constant bitching about Walmart is nothing more than an acknowledgment of their success and others' failures. Almost every time I go to Walmart it is for a single reason---they are the only store of their kind open 24/7, and particularly in the middle of the night when I go there. If Target were open at 2 a.m. and I needed something, then maybe I would go there, but nope.
 
wbcoleman said:
The question I'm asking is, why do unions seem to feel that their success depends upon coercing workers into joining? If the union provides value, why should that be necessary?
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Unions are democracies and as such run for office to change them.
 
Why should any community pay to subsidize Walmart's underpaid employees? Currently it is happening in many places with Walmart employees getting food stamps and other subsidies.
 
wbcoleman said:
Why SHOULD stores with higher costs and higher prices stay in business???
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A big box has multiple advantages over small business, it is able to gain tax advantages, it has the ability to have large infrastructure supplied at cost to the community. If the object is to gain maximum employment with tiny, marginal increases in prices, having many small businesses is the better way for retail planning for a community.
 
wbcoleman said:
The issue isn't whether or not minimum wage laws are legal, they are, but the issue is whether or not they make economic sense.
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Well, they will never make sense to a Randitarian....however for the rest of us with over 77 years of experience on the issue, it make perfect sense.
 
Hard Truth said:
Why should any community pay to subsidize Walmart's underpaid employees? Currently it is happening in many places with Walmart employees getting food stamps and other subsidies.
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Agreed. It is time to strip away the massive welfare state.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
A big box has multiple advantages over small business, it is able to gain tax advantages, it has the ability to have large infrastructure supplied at cost to the community. If the object is to gain maximum employment with tiny, marginal increases in prices, having many small businesses is the better way for retail planning for a community.
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Minimum wage earners often shop at down scale department stores, Walmart being a good example.

Of course every shopping center could be upscale but where would the low income people shop? Riddle me this.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
....but, as pointed out, and which you continue to avoid, there is a net job loss.


The point still remains, when you are JOBLESS, the prices would have to get to zero for them to benefit you when your job was eliminated by a Big Box.

And please, don't even get me started on the advantages Big Boxes gain in taxes breaks and free infrastructure small retailers can only dream about.
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Wal-Mart bears only miniscule responsibility for job losses, when set in the context of the entire economy, and nothing you have posted says otherwise. And the benefits created by Wal-Mart are spread across all downscale consumers. The country and society benefit, as they always do from increased efficiency and productivity.:peace
 
Gimmesometruth said:
A big box has multiple advantages over small business, it is able to gain tax advantages, it has the ability to have large infrastructure supplied at cost to the community. If the object is to gain maximum employment with tiny, marginal increases in prices, having many small businesses is the better way for retail planning for a community.
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Well, unless you want the employees to have some benefits and health insurance. Small business retail is a losing proposition unless you are in a very niche market. Even then you have to deal with the effect of the increased cost of living because you do not have big box store like Walmart putting downward pressure on the prices of essential goods. The best retail planning for a community is to have concentrated areas of multiple big box stores in a short distance of each other--it creates shopping destinations for out of town visitors to your city. People seldom go from one city to another for a single store. They do it because there is a mall or a big-box complex, or a string of wholesale/factory outlets concentrated in a small geographic area.

What small businesses outside the retail field do well is create jobs. In that you can attract niche businesses into an area like nanotech firms that do not have a lot of employees, software customization business, research facilities, etc. The government can also make small business more viable by renovating declining areas and incentivize the location of new small businesses into those areas which would allow them to hire more people or pay more wages which the government gets on the backside in sales tax and property tax.
 
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